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Brett Tooth Australia (Verified User) Posts 92 Dogs 10 / Races 0 27 Mar 2017 08:16
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I believe it should be up to the trainer if they offer water before or after a race. As a non believer of this policy, I recently asked a leading steward where I could find the stewards reports stating their concerns about the number of dehydrated dogs after races. One of the best blank looks I've seen for a while. They have no facts that prove this rule is beneficial at all. PUPPETS
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 27 Mar 2017 21:49
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Well said Brett.
Jamie Hawkins Australia (Verified User) Posts 47 Dogs 2 / Races 0 27 Mar 2017 23:13
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in the last seven days 13 dogs have raced without using a water bowl.for 6 wins and 4 placings.one of the unplaced dogs got ten days for a injury.winners included the forty thousand dollar maitland gold cup.smarter people then me will tell you this rule is wrong and actually is counter productive to welfare and performance.for the record i am one of the people in that 13 who did not provide a water bowl and my dog improved to be in the placings.tonight i will be fined $100 for second offence.have no problem with that as whatever steward is working is only doing there job.my question is tho where does my and other offenders $100 go?if a jockey gets fined money goes to jockeys trust fund for injured jockeys.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 27 Mar 2017 23:50
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I hope you're challenging the fine ? You gotta state your case.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6014 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Mar 2017 04:51
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Jamie Hawkins wrote:
in the last seven days 13 dogs have raced without using a water bowl.for 6 wins and 4 placings.one of the unplaced dogs got ten days for a injury.winners included the forty thousand dollar maitland gold cup.smarter people then me will tell you this rule is wrong and actually is counter productive to welfare and performance.for the record i am one of the people in that 13 who did not provide a water bowl and my dog improved to be in the placings.tonight i will be fined $100 for second offence.have no problem with that as whatever steward is working is only doing there job.my question is tho where does my and other offenders $100 go?if a jockey gets fined money goes to jockeys trust fund for injured jockeys.
Jamie: Just what I have posted at the bottom of page 1. You have an unfair advantage if the other 7 dogs are provided with unnecessary water. Easter Egg is here, take the reprimand and fine and ADVANTAGE. Crazy rule
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 28 Mar 2017 04:58
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LOL Jamie, you may get charged for enhancing the performance of your dog
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Mar 2017 05:04
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Also, for not looking after n caring for your dog, lol
Jamie Hawkins Australia (Verified User) Posts 47 Dogs 2 / Races 0 29 Mar 2017 00:36
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I did try to argue my case but still got $100 fine.alas bitch jumped beautiful lead first two sections then got run down or smashed as report says or me the dickhead trainer hadn't put enough work into her.still scratching my melon head about all of it.but proved point in she did jump to old standards.honestly not feeling like much of a win today!Grnsw rule is to be believed then it is I at the disadvantage.if!
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 29 Mar 2017 00:40
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No appealing it.
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 29 Mar 2017 00:45
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Jamie, Maybe it doesn't feel that way today but having the courage to stand by your beliefs is winning in my book. Chris.
Jamie Hawkins Australia (Verified User) Posts 47 Dogs 2 / Races 0 29 Mar 2017 01:00
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Chris van Vegchel wrote:
Jamie, Maybe it doesn't feel that way today but having the courage to stand by your beliefs is winning in my book. Chris.
Cheers Chris.mark on penalty notice in big bold type it says "fines under $200 cannot be appealed".reasonably sure that be unlawful in a court of law,but what can I do spend a grand lawyer up and save a $100!
These fines are fabricated and do many people actually pay them?I don't hear anyone not being allowed to race if they are not paid so by not paying it u are actually challenging their validity.I got one for not having race papers although it can be clear the right dog raced then won the identity steward after the race was not amused it's still unpaid after 12 months - why do we need papers when we have ear brands and microchipping?Challenge this ridiculous rule
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 05 Apr 2017 11:35
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kenneth markham wrote:
These fines are fabricated and do many people actually pay them?I don't hear anyone not being allowed to race if they are not paid so by not paying it u are actually challenging their validity.I got one for not having race papers although it can be clear the right dog raced then won the identity steward after the race was not amused it's still unpaid after 12 months - why do we need papers when we have ear brands and microchipping?Challenge this ridiculous rule
In VIC, if you don't pay they mark you down as a defaulter and stop accepting your nominations and may even revoke your license. But hey, we have always been much more of a Police State than NSW.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 13 Apr 2017 12:43
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kenneth markham wrote:
These fines are fabricated and do many people actually pay them?I don't hear anyone not being allowed to race if they are not paid so by not paying it u are actually challenging their validity.I got one for not having race papers although it can be clear the right dog raced then won the identity steward after the race was not amused it's still unpaid after 12 months - why do we need papers when we have ear brands and microchipping?Challenge this ridiculous rule
You can challenge many of their rules and beat them as they are discriminatory and have no lawful authority to impose a fine on anyone.
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 13 Apr 2017 21:44
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From the off let me say I am totally against the rule, but assuming I was "pro" the rule and I wanted my dog access to water and the following scenario took place .
I kennel my dog, who is in say race ten for argument sake, and the dog tips his water bowl over after two minutes of being kennelled ...now I might be completely wrong but would the stewards allow me to go back and refill its bowl? ...no? so, if this scenario happened how does this keep with "re-hydration" and "animal welfare"?
So given that I can't go back and refill the dogs bowl, how does this keep with "hydration" and "animal welfare"? the same people, i.e. the stewards, who are entrusted with enforcing the rule, would in this instance be the same people, in effect, contravening and somewhat complicit in not upholding the rule by not allowing my dog access to water ...the rule is a complete farce, asinine and carries no logic ...it is as Dave Irwin says, a rule devised by individuals who have no real knowledge of greyhounds, and just another in a long list implemented to impede and stymie the sport.
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