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Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 Mar 2018 03:07
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Peter Gurry wrote:
Here you go Brucey GAP's kicking goals in Victoria EXTERNAL LINK and yes I'm in the photo last Saturday. Remember the Greens get their strength in our political system not in lower house representation but from the proportional vote count which gets them the all important upper house seats (OK Qld exempt) where their vote is needed by whoever is in power to pass legislation thus creating a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours scenario. Having attended one of Big Al's workshops when he took over a couple of years ago at the height of the crisis he clearly stated his objective as told by the current government was to get welfare of the dog fixed first or we have no future. - Macwollie
So sending a dog home from the races with a snapped leg to fulfill his target is ok. Pain and suffering till the next morning when vetted and euthanized anyway after the vet was over ridden at the track. Disgrace!
GAP is kicking goals, at what cost? We have rehomed 90% of our dogs. The ones that did not make it were a danger or had a medical condition that you would not put onto people who wanted a pet and we paid $100+Injections+muzzle for the privilege, now thank god it is free.
GRV have spent 12 mil in 12 months for these results, GRNSW have no chance being underfunded from the word go.
The sins of the past do not just disappear, there energy will return to square the ledger at some stage.
Cheers.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 20 Mar 2018 04:42
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Ryan/Terry,
Another fruit salad.
Re: "Please Bruce stop telling us the general public are with the greens - they are not."
1. Greens dislike greyhounds and greyhound racing for specific ideological reasons. Animals should not be "forced" to race, especially when betting is involved.
2. Much of the public - from available but scanty evidence - are broadly or sometimes specific background reasons averse to greyhounds. Such evidence might include newspaper stories, history of live hare coursing, killing rabbits, opposition to gambling, absence of good information about the breed and racing.
The Greens are a dead loss but should be a target of re-education.
The public is amenable to change providing they obtain the knowledge and appreciation of the breed and the sport. GAP shows what can be done but needs to be multiplied ten or a hundred times to achieve the result we want.
The two are quite different although there are some overlaps. And I have never said "the general public are with the greens". You just made that up.
No Bruce you are getting confused with your own definitions!
The word Greens in point 1 above shld be replaced by Animal Activists, because that's what you have defined.
This is the Google definition of Greens: Green politics (also known as ecopolitics) is a political ideology that aims to create an ecologically sustainable society rooted in environmentalism, nonviolence, social justice and grassroots democracy. ... The party's platform is largely considered left in the political spectrum.
So when you say something like this:
Bruce Teague wrote:
....Then there are two groups to consider - those who attend the track or who have a punt at the local pub, and the other 90%-odd of the population who do neither of those things.
It's the second group that prompted the ban and the tougher regs. The politicians listen to them as well as to anyone who threatens their electorate.......
you are implying the general public are with the greens.........yes the greens are part of the general public BUT are the general public 'left in the political spectrum'.........No, they are not!
...........Not so sure about the Greens in Batman - they had a lot of self-made problems, which is perhaps understandable given the zany nature of their leader...........
then why comment Bruce if you are "not sure about the Greens in Batman"? Stop pretending to be an expert in everything ! You just aren't ! FGS give it a rest!
btw I'd much rather hit the disagree button Jamie, this takes up far too much time.
Peter Gurry Australia (Verified User) Posts 9255 Dogs 18 / Races 25 20 Mar 2018 09:34
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charles w mizzi wrote:
Peter Gurry wrote:
Here you go Brucey GAP's kicking goals in Victoria EXTERNAL LINK and yes I'm in the photo last Saturday. Remember the Greens get their strength in our political system not in lower house representation but from the proportional vote count which gets them the all important upper house seats (OK Qld exempt) where their vote is needed by whoever is in power to pass legislation thus creating a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours scenario. Having attended one of Big Al's workshops when he took over a couple of years ago at the height of the crisis he clearly stated his objective as told by the current government was to get welfare of the dog fixed first or we have no future. - Macwollie
So sending a dog home from the races with a snapped leg to fulfill his target is ok. Pain and suffering till the next morning when vetted and euthanized anyway after the vet was over ridden at the track. Disgrace!
GAP is kicking goals, at what cost? We have rehomed 90% of our dogs. The ones that did not make it were a danger or had a medical condition that you would not put onto people who wanted a pet and we paid $100+Injections+muzzle for the privilege, now thank god it is free.
GRV have spent 12 mil in 12 months for these results, GRNSW have no chance being underfunded from the word go.
The sins of the past do not just disappear, there energy will return to square the ledger at some stage.
Cheers.
Your case Charles I don't know of where or when and yes that's abhorrent action you got dealt. If the track appointed Vet was over ridden by a lay person ie: a non qualified Vet, I would be seeking answers from the CEO, Mr Clayton himself that his GRV policy has flaws and if anything your case requires an Investigation by the RSPCA against the individual who made that decision not to have the dog euthanized at the time just to benefit statistics, smells of better have them put down in your back yard not ours. If you don't get any answers see your local MP as part of that 12 mil was Government funded. - Macwollie
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 Mar 2018 23:59
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Ryan,
You have plucked out bits and pieces from different episodes, joined them up and added the number you first thought of.
1. I pointed out that Greens were just a side issue in the decision on bans (as confirmed by the governments later rejection of Faruqis amendments). The primary influences were Bairds personal dislike of greyhound racing and his assumption that the public would support him helped by a spurious $1.3m advertising campaign. He was brought undone not by greyhound lovers so much as by the prospect of canning an entire industry. The mob objected to that.
2. The attitude of the public (the 90% I spoke of) is vital but is a different matter again. Some may like greyhounds, some may not, but there is plenty of evidence that many are not supporters of racing, especially in view of the long string of irregularities that have been hitting the front pages. That situation demands different treatment to the Greens. Similar but different.
3. I made a comment on Batman in response to a previous post - I hope opinions are still allowed here. In practice, my comment has since been echoed by many other commentators. However, my aim was to highlight the fact that Greens actions vary from state to state and subject to subject and that they have to be watched carefully. In any case, your Greens definition, lifted from Google, is hopelessly out of date in this country, although it may have been close in the Bob Brown era. Today, they are just anti-everything.
Whatever, we have to hope that the PAW case does not harm the code too much. The Greens will certainly latch on to it every chance they get. The public may not care so much.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 21 Mar 2018 00:13
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As far as I know, the only people really talking about dogs going overseas, are greyhound people.
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