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Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 06:35
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EXTERNAL LINK Have a look at the red fight/not chase down the back straight and the stewards didnt charge the dog with anything They are either as corrupt as El Chapo or incapable of doing there job to a decent standard and need to be stood down and trained better This one rule for some and different for others has got to stop its been going on too long
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 07:01
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Crazy Mark.Failing chase ,in the main, is a result of poor lure policies but you may as well try believing in Santa Claus before waiting for the boffins to admit they have it wrong.They are destroying the integrity of the product. Heads in the sand,butts in the air covered by a sheet of tin comes to mind.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 07:09
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
Crazy Mark.Failing chase ,in the main, is a result of poor lure policies but you may as well try believing in Santa Claus before waiting for the boffins to admit they have it wrong.They are destroying the integrity of the product. Heads in the sand,butts in the air covered by a sheet of tin comes to mind.
Its mind boggling Nicholas and the sad thing about it the people watching the replay on track with a group of us made the comment that cause of who it is there will be nothing done and bingo. Must turn a lot of people off the sport I know a few that have had enough
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 24 Dec 2018 09:38
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After seeing this post, I was expecting to see "Head-turn, Head-turn, Head-turn".
After watching the replay, the dog in question did turn his head for just "ONE STRIDE" in a place on the track that this sort action is most unexpected, but continued throughout the race in a forward motion....So IMO, I would give this dog the benefit of the doubt....UNLESS & I repeat UNLESS....it had prior MISDEMEANORS, which I'm unaware of.
Matthew Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 207 Dogs 25 / Races 4 24 Dec 2018 09:46
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Only a matter of time before it does it again! But agree, what a joke!
Matthew Clark Australia (Verified User) Posts 207 Dogs 25 / Races 4 24 Dec 2018 09:47
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Only a matter of time before it does it again! But ageee, what a joke!
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 10:09
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steven martin wrote:
After seeing this post, I was expecting to see "Head-turn, Head-turn, Head-turn".
After watching the replay, the dog in question did turn his head for just "ONE STRIDE" in a place on the track that this sort action is most unexpected, but continued throughout the race in a forward motion....So IMO, I would give this dog the benefit of the doubt....UNLESS & I repeat UNLESS....it had prior MISDEMEANORS, which I'm unaware of.
I didnt know that if your dog turned its head 90 degrees towards another dog you could get a chance if you hadnt done it before, my apologies Steven I didnt know that was part of the rules
Frank Muldowney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 423 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 11:19
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had a look but not bad dident change the race imo
Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 12:03
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Not a whole lot wrong there, turned them head for one stride but that was it.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 24 Dec 2018 12:10
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
I didnt know that if your dog turned its head 90 degrees towards another dog you could get a chance if you hadnt done it before, my apologies Steven I didnt know that was part of the rules
Hi Mark....I know where you're coming & I'm hearing ya ....But if the dog in question had CONTINUED to turn the head thereafter...Then throw the book at it.
IMO...I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt because of a number of reason....But mainly because of what I've already explained above. Should it do the exact same thing again in another race.....then it deserves a Ticket.
I do not know the trainer or owner of this dog.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 18:47
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steven martin wrote:
Mark Mihailovic wrote:
I didnt know that if your dog turned its head 90 degrees towards another dog you could get a chance if you hadnt done it before, my apologies Steven I didnt know that was part of the rules
Hi Mark....I know where you're coming & I'm hearing ya ....But if the dog in question had CONTINUED to turn the head thereafter...Then throw the book at it.
IMO...I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt because of a number of reason....But mainly because of what I've already explained above. Should it do the exact same thing again in another race.....then it deserves a Ticket.
I do not know the trainer or owner of this dog.
Im hearing u as well Steven its probably just utter frustration that I posted this as dogs are getting rubbed out for less or similar things on a regular basis
Have a look at the 2 in this replay at the meadows and it gets rubbed out for having done probably less than what happened yesterday Hadnt done it before and hasnt looked like it since either
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Noel Evans Australia (Verified User) Posts 53 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 20:36
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Same thing happens up here in Queensland.Where dogs blatantly pull up and fight the connections are not even questioned about the actions of their dog. Yet others that have been knocked down 15 lengths behind the 2nd last dog, have chased their guts out, caught the field and turned their head for one stride on a dog that is not chasing get sent out straight away. It's worse here because they changed the rules and you can't appeal a stewards decision anymore. Most of the stewards have come from horse racing and trots and haven't got any idea about greyhound racing.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 20:36
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
EXTERNAL LINK Have a look at the red fight/not chase down the back straight and the stewards didnt charge the dog with anything They are either as corrupt as El Chapo or incapable of doing there job to a decent standard and need to be stood down and trained better This one rule for some and different for others has got to stop its been going on too long
You guys are tough markers. There could have been half a dozen reasons why the red turned its head for a brief moment. We will never know. These are pack animals in a competitive situation - it happens every day to one degree or another. Ask a dog whisperer.
Doug Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 867 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 20:57
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If you look closely you will see the dog on the outside galloped on the reds toes which he resented and turned and gave the other dog a dirty look, that's it no malice intended
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 21:51
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doug smart wrote:
If you look closely you will see the dog on the outside galloped on the reds toes which he resented and turned and gave the other dog a dirty look, that's it no malice intended
Watch the replay then Doug of the meadows race and youll understand why so many people are filthy Whats good for the goose should be good for the gander Unfortunately its not Doug and thats the main issue here
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Dec 2018 22:56
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steven martin wrote:
Mark Mihailovic wrote:
I didnt know that if your dog turned its head 90 degrees towards another dog you could get a chance if you hadnt done it before, my apologies Steven I didnt know that was part of the rules
Hi Mark....I know where you're coming & I'm hearing ya ....But if the dog in question had CONTINUED to turn the head thereafter...Then throw the book at it.
IMO...I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt because of a number of reason....But mainly because of what I've already explained above. Should it do the exact same thing again in another race.....then it deserves a Ticket.
I do not know the trainer or owner of this dog.
Agree with Steve, no head contact made, kept on chasing
Only deserved a warning at best, but vet/stewards report shows it has hurt its right metacarpal causing it to shift out on that turn
Good decision for mine
Mark, I agree with you, the 2 dog at The Meadows was pretty harshly done by in that race
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Dec 2018 23:35
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Maybe your right Sandro we should challenge the actual RULE thats in place and say That my dogs head was turned 90 degrees and took the dog off the track but while doing it he/she always had due commitment to chasing the lure Can only try
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Dec 2018 02:18
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
Maybe your right Sandro we should challenge the actual RULE thats in place and say That my dogs head was turned 90 degrees and took the dog off the track but while doing it he/she always had due commitment to chasing the lure Can only try
Mark, The current rule is effectively a combination of the old two - one for fighting and another for FTC - which is fair enough.
Now it emphasises that contact must be made for fighting to be caused (I refuse to use "marring" because that is totally incorrect in English). FTC is a matter of interpretation by the stewards.
Turning the head might be due to many things - a prelude to fighting, FTC, a bird in flight, a reaction to what another dog does, interference, injury, or just an involuntary reaction to random events. To those I would add another one - a dog which gets an early bump may often return the compliment later in the race, which is all part of the DNA of pack animals shoved out of their perceived order. They would also do that in competing for a single food bowl. Very subjective, though.
In this case (without the benefit of a head-on film) it was done and over in a flash, it did not touch, and did not significantly affect the accused's forward progress, nor anyone else's. The stewards were right to ignore it.
I see a number of rules which warrant updating but this is not one of them.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Dec 2018 02:49
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Mark Mihailovic wrote:
Maybe your right Sandro we should challenge the actual RULE thats in place and say That my dogs head was turned 90 degrees and took the dog off the track but while doing it he/she always had due commitment to chasing the lure Can only try
Mark, The current rule is effectively a combination of the old two - one for fighting and another for FTC - which is fair enough.
Now it emphasises that contact must be made for fighting to be caused (I refuse to use "marring" because that is totally incorrect in English). FTC is a matter of interpretation by the stewards.
Turning the head might be due to many things - a prelude to fighting, FTC, a bird in flight, a reaction to what another dog does, interference, injury, or just an involuntary reaction to random events. To those I would add another one - a dog which gets an early bump may often return the compliment later in the race, which is all part of the DNA of pack animals shoved out of their perceived order. They would also do that in competing for a single food bowl. Very subjective, though.
In this case (without the benefit of a head-on film) it was done and over in a flash, it did not touch, and did not significantly affect the accused's forward progress, nor anyone else's. The stewards were right to ignore it.
I see a number of rules which warrant updating but this is not one of them.
Appreciate your comments Bruce but if you havent seen the head on probably not worth making the comments you have cause youre wrong on a lot of what youve said It was plan and simple for all to see who were on course who got to see head on and I can tell you %100 of everyone watching said he has to get done Maybe you can comment on the meadows replay I put up Bruce Id love to hear your thoughts on that? Ps You can still get a failing to chase due to injury so thats not an excuse either
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 25 Dec 2018 06:15
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Its bullshit what some have said as it is blatant the dog turned its head and 99% of dogs would have got a holiday and the injury excuse is used by some trainers only to get their dog off yet small trainers will still get 28 days.
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