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Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Jun 2019 23:47
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Ian, no doubt, and you could add bowling clubs to your list - where they either die or are taken over by large poker machine palaces.
There is one saver, though. While Traralgon is replaceable the proposed new layouts represent the only advances made in track design in a century. I don't buy some aspects of them but at least they embrace fresh thinking which is sorely needed in this industry. I will be responding accordingly.
Personally, I would be retaining Traralgon and dumping Cranbourne which adds nothing to the mix and defeats the purpose of creating an intimate experience for the fans (sorry - nothing personal folks, but watching ants moving in the distance does not rate).
Cranbourne is a fantastic club ran for years by Volunteers . Cranbourne is Unique because of the Way it's set up being a Tri code Club. The Casey Shire support Greyhound Racing .. Cranbourne also Owns Trio's and over the years the Club had to pay back this dept but soon this will be 100% Debt free . Millions each year gets spent at Trio's it's the largest growing area in Victoria . If the GRV have there way Cranbourne would be closed and TRIO'S will be sold . Trio's can only be sold to the (Harness racing club NO MONEY) . This leaves only one outcome and do you think the Thoroughbred club will pay offers for Trio's ..NO.. IMO If Traralgon gets built the GRV will CLOSE Cranbourne its been on the cards to close for years but as i said above the Members are very strong and the money lost for the years going forward from Trio's would be in the millions so it would be a terrible step backwards for our industry in years to come because lets face it Sandown ..The Meadows ..Sale ..and Cranbourne generate a huge income from gaming machines ..
We need this money to help support the industry for the next 20 years and beyond
Lawrence Parker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1458 Dogs 3 / Races 0 26 Jun 2019 01:48
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Brett Margerison wrote:
I'm not sure who came up with the J design and who endorsed it but hopefully sanity prevails and the power that be go for a different option... Why don't they just replica the exact dimensions of the Richmond track which looks to be one of the safest circle tracks going round and caters for all distances...
brett, the original remake of traralgon was supposed to be based on the richmond track we were told but we ended up with the crap bend starts design. some idiot changed thedesign, now they are redoing it again.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jun 2019 04:21
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I despair at the comments which ignore what went before. I pointed out shortcomings with Richmond - all hard facts.
There is a common practice to claim that new track X is modelled on Y - which is allegedly a good track. It never happens - never. And Y always had its own problems anyway.
Secondly, knowledge has advanced since Y or any other track was built. So why not modernise instead of using faulty history?
Carly Absalom Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jun 2019 09:53
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
So no 600m or 700m racing at Traralgon?
They were my first thoughts too, Sandro.
My feedback might be that neither design is acceptable.
I have to read the UTS stuff again but from memory isnt this the same research that had the ptb seriously considering shortening the run to the first turn at Wenty last year? The thinking was that there was less interference from the 720m start so they should replicate that at the 520m. Little or no consideration about all the other variables that caused less interference that anyone who knows anything about greyhound racing could have explained to them.
I have no issues with using academic research to help build safer tracks but there has to be a recognition that, without firsthand experience of the industry, it can have limitations. Hopefully our feedback will be considered seriously.
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 06 Jul 2019 00:15
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Bruce have you got the hard data in Victoria for breeding numbers this year ?
My feedback might be that neither design is acceptable.
My understanding of the popularity of 6 or 700 mtrs around Traralgon was enuff noms for 3 races in 2 years . Arguably the distances wont be missed by those who matter
I have to read the UTS stuff again but from memory isnt this the same research that had the ptb seriously considering shortening the run to the first turn at Wenty last year? The thinking was that there was less interference from the 720m start so they should replicate that at the 520m. Little or no consideration about all the other variables that caused less interference that anyone who knows anything about greyhound racing could have explained to them.
I have no issues with using academic research to help build safer tracks but there has to be a recognition that, without firsthand experience of the industry, it can have limitations. Hopefully our feedback will be considered seriously.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Jul 2019 02:07
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Hayden,
A lot of the UTS report involved proposals for experiments rather than firm principles. However, I agree that the 720m run to the turn is not the same as from the 520m start and often involves totally different sorts of dog. In any event, there is significant interference leading into the 720m turn so it is obviously not perfect. That part of the run is also a little shorter than from the 520m start.
On distance races at Traralgon - I think you are badly understating the numbers. I will have to check further.
Anyway, what is behind the absence of distance races in the two proposals? Reasons or logic are not stated. They should be. One answer is that they are almost impossible to set up because of the overall limitations of the (new) site. But that's like saying there are no 600s at Healesville.
In fact, there has been a steady move to reduce the actual distances at provincial track following rebuilding - Bendigo and Warrnambool are two examples and the Horsham 570m has not been replaced. At the first two this has tended to increase interference levels because they are now too close to the turn. So much for welfare.
Anyway the two proposals are radical but confusing and serve to build a track that suits only a minority, not the majority. Safety is good but it cannot be supported in isolation because (a) it denies normal abilities of some sorts of dogs and (b) it fails to satisfy other necessary objectives such as a good view of the race. and (c) canine athletes will always incur injuries, regardless of the track. So do footballers and Fido in the backyard.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Jul 2019 20:48
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Also - in the four months Jan-Apr 2018 there were 8 races of 595/665 at Traralgon. Not plentiful but useful.
Thanks for the heads up on that Bruce. We were led to believe there were significantly fewer but Sale has a group 1 over the distance and Traralgon is less than 40 minutes from sale and Warragul has 680 metres less than 30 minutes from Traralgon.. It could be argued that the district is well catered for over distances that for what ever reason are proving less and less popular
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Jul 2019 00:23
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Hayden Gilders wrote:
Thanks for the heads up on that Bruce. We were led to believe there were significantly fewer but Sale has a group 1 over the distance and Traralgon is less than 40 minutes from sale and Warragul has 680 metres less than 30 minutes from Traralgon.. It could be argued that the district is well catered for over distances that for what ever reason are proving less and less popular
Hayden,
They are less popular because there are not enough dogs which are able or properly trained to run them. Dangerous starts do not help.
Warragul is a good test but Sale's 650m is for dogs which cannot run 720m. The proposed Traralgon is the thin edge of the wedge.
Does the industry have an objective? If so, what is it?
Thanks for the heads up on that Bruce. We were led to believe there were significantly fewer but Sale has a group 1 over the distance and Traralgon is less than 40 minutes from sale and Warragul has 680 metres less than 30 minutes from Traralgon.. It could be argued that the district is well catered for over distances that for what ever reason are proving less and less popular
Hayden,
They are less popular because there are not enough dogs which are able or properly trained to run them.
The stats dont really matter if you are happy to answer your own questions
Kade Joske Australia (Verified User) Posts 213 Dogs 6 / Races 0 19 May 2020 01:26
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Can anyone provide an update on when and if the new track is going to be built?
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 19 May 2020 04:13
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Handicap some races ,should cut out a lot of interference on the first turn. It would be good to see over some distance racing.Used to love Watching Miss grub giving them a good start and flying home, now that was excitement plus.
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