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Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2514 Dogs 107 / Races 6 29 Jun 2019 15:10
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Why are the igb always getting the blame for everything theirs no one to blame for a one sided program that was put together by antis now that ye have seen the damage one side can do and yet ye still babble on about the very very small minority that have done wrong in our sport this sport more than ever needs promoting and that starts with us... sorry to burst yer bubble but this is not just the igb fault it's also our own fault... arguing about drug cheats basically is been a silent voice for the antis and this is the exact response the antis want and you know why...ok our sport suffered a huge blow last Wednesday nite and never has their been such a spot light on us all and from an outsider looking in what do they see when they look at this forum a huge number of people arguing about drugs and how the industry is been run ect basically it's the icing on the cake so simmer down and maybe try talk about our sport in good light... because our sport is full of great people and deserves a lot better than this...
Brian I would wind your neck in with your previous if I were you.
You should be angry with the IGB and not RTE talk about shooting the messenger!
There is no doubt that the people who made the programme were anti-racing but the programme would not have happened if a large amount of greyhounds were not being disposed of.
The GBGB gets 8 million from bookmakers and spends 3 million on welfare.
The IGB get 16 million from taxpayers money and spends 100,000 on welfare.
People would not have to dispose of their dogs if they were running for proper prize money but the IGB have been sucking prize money away from owners / breeders for a decade.
Instead the IGB are spending 13 million to run the IGB is the industry getting value for money?
Stephen Potter Ireland (Verified User) Posts 424 Dogs 127 / Races 0 29 Jun 2019 16:56
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first port of call,get rid of the drug cheats and anyone who sends dogs to china,get them out before it's to late.we have got to be seen as doing something to put the wrongdoing right.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2514 Dogs 107 / Races 6 29 Jun 2019 17:22
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stephen potter wrote:
first port of call,get rid of the drug cheats and anyone who sends dogs to china,get them out before it's to late.we have got to be seen as doing something to put the wrongdoing right.
Stephen what do you know about China??? just what you read on a antis page and after seeing that program would you not be more concerned about sending a dog to Ireland because that program​ showed Ireland every bit as bad and worse than China..Tony Gallagher has been to China ask Tony what he thinks...you shouldn't make comments on something you know nothing about... again this is a perfect example of jumping on the band wagon with the antis...
Stephen Potter Ireland (Verified User) Posts 424 Dogs 127 / Races 0 29 Jun 2019 17:51
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Brian Loughnane wrote:
stephen potter wrote:
first port of call,get rid of the drug cheats and anyone who sends dogs to china,get them out before it's to late.we have got to be seen as doing something to put the wrongdoing right.
Stephen what do you know about China??? just what you read on a antis page and after seeing that program would you not be more concerned about sending a dog to Ireland because that program​ showed Ireland every bit as bad and worse than China..Tony Gallagher has been to China ask Tony what he thinks...you shouldn't make comments on something you know nothing about... again this is a perfect example of jumping on the band wagon with the antis...
have I hit a nerve there ? are you involved in anything being said ?
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2514 Dogs 107 / Races 6 29 Jun 2019 17:58
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Kieran Boles wrote:
Brian I would wind your neck in with your previous if I were you.
You should be angry with the IGB and not RTE talk about shooting the messenger!
There is no doubt that the people who made the programme were anti-racing but the programme would not have happened if a large amount of greyhounds were not being disposed of.
The GBGB gets 8 million from bookmakers and spends 3 million on welfare.
The IGB get 16 million from taxpayers money and spends 100,000 on welfare.
People would not have to dispose of their dogs if they were running for proper prize money but the IGB have been sucking prize money away from owners / breeders for a decade.
Instead the IGB are spending 13 million to run the IGB is the industry getting value for money?
Kieran hold up a second you made a comment people would not have to dispose of their dogs if they were running for proper prize money...what I seen was nothing short of pure evil I would not under no circumstances do what I seen been done to a dog regardless of the circumstances that is not an excuse and can not be used as an excuse it was dam wrong and know one only the (fXXXXXX Edited by Admin. Brian, please void using such profanities on the forum. You've been warned) who brought the dogs to that knackery can be blamed... please don't take my comment as personal I'm also on your side..I really do agree with you on the welfare more money needs putting in... traceability can be made way more effective in this very simple system every owner be given a kennel number a text system be set up when a dog becomes property of a new owner the previous owner sends the name of the dog and the new owners kennel number to the text system the igb their and then will know where that dog is before he even gets into the new owners van...on the export problem an import and export license be brought into play this been a yearly license costing no less than 1000 per year the exporter can only sell to a holder of an import license both partys needs to submit details of the import 2 weeks prior to travel this way igb can either grant travel or squash it... litter registration needs to be extended from 14 days to 12 weeks my theory behind this is it will give a more accurate count on what's on the ground for example if 2200 litters are born every year and let's say 1 pup per litter die after the the date you have registered the litter thats 2200 pups gone missing but if pups were given the time to have their vaccination period covered and then registered the count would be far more accurate...
Damian O Regan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 6 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Jun 2019 18:27
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Im sure Stephen knows like the rest of us that Chinas Attitude to Human Rights never mind Animal Rights Is deplorable and therefore any Sane Person wouldnt Have anything to do with them. Personally Id like to know when the Board are going to ban The Professional trainer who was found to have More substances than a Pharmacy in his Kennel.
Douglas Campbell United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3940 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jun 2019 12:58
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lynda bonner wrote:
Anyone who owns racing greyhounds has a responsibility to put welfare first at all times.
Despite the old footage, the overseas footage, the inaccuracies, biases, omissions and propaganda which were included in the RTE programme without any acknowledgment of recent welfare advances, I was sickened to my stomach by what I saw happening in knackeries in Ireland.
Whether those were greyhounds or lurchers, or any other breed of dog that can be disposed of in such a way, no matter how old the footage, I hope the Dept of Agriculture steps in to stop knackeries carrying out that activity for all dog breeds with immediate effect.
I await an investigation by the IGB into those 4 cases shown to determine if they were in any way connected to the racing industry and if so I expect the IGB to deal with them with maximum penalty.
Greyhounds have a passion for the thrill of competitive chase, BUT they also love to live a long and happy life. Anyone involved in racing who cant ensure both for their dogs should not be in this industry.
Every greyhound MUST be accounted for throughout its life.
Well said Lynda.
Joe Hyde Ireland (Verified User) Posts 128 Dogs 18 / Races 5 30 Jun 2019 13:03
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Ladies / Gentlemen,
As some that works in shipping I can tell you that the majority of Airlines Do Not Take Greyhounds to China anymore. You cannot ship Greyhounds from Ireland directly to China.
In the past it was done from the continent but as it became aware these Dogs were ending up in Maccau for racing and the conditions they where kept in there was an outcry on Social Media so the Airlines stopped shipping Greyhounds.
I know this because a comapny I worked with that ships Pet/Animals all over the world was accused on their "Facebook" page when they had never done it (Sounds familiar).....and they were shipped into Hong Kong first not China and there are requirements for Import Licences already for Hong Kong from the EU. But I believe Australia was dupped into this first before they switch to the UK & Ireland.
There's an old saying "Fix the Problem not the blame"....find out first what the problem is then fix it so insteand of saying what needs to be done on GD, write a Letter or an e-mail to the IGB/ICC with suggestions after all without us there is no Greyhound Racing.
Just a suggestion because no one here has the power to change our sport.
Yours in sport...Joe Hyde
Peter McGorrey Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1018 Dogs 10 / Races 0 30 Jun 2019 16:36
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All that is happening is our sport is slowly going to the gutters and we ain't gonna gain anything until we come together and point out a few home truths. Our board only know one thing and that is not listen to the greyhound people. As Sean bourke said he goes to meetings but our board doesn't listen to the grass roots. I would love to see a few things changing to make our sport better.
1. I would like to see 2 greyhound people appointed to the board. One from the north and one from the South.
2.A smaller salary across the board
3. At least 2million put into rehoming/welfare
4. Zero tolerance on drugs. Anyone caught should be banned no matter who they are big or small.
At the end of the day its our sport we have to have an input. I honestly think if the above was addressed we would have a great product but again all these posts are falling on deaf ears 😴😀
Most of us are fully aware who the rotten apples are in our sport but we can't expect all problems to be solved overnight. As the philofesor Confusias said "a journey of a 1000 miles starts with the first step" so the first step should be getting rid of the drug cheats. The IGB boast about its drug testing machine costing 400,000 but that is a pittance compared to the 16 million received from the government every year. Why not buy half a dozen machines and install them in the leading tracks e.g. Shelbourn and any track holding auctions so that testing can be done and results seen instantly. This would be considerably cheaper than the IGB have spent on the employment packages squandered on various CEOs in the last five years. It should go without saying that any owner or trainer whose dog shows a posative sample should immediately be suspended from racing all of their dogs for a fixed period without any appeal. I have never understood why it matters how a substance got into a dog beit in the meat or rubbing cocaine in its ears. The trainer is always responsible for his dogs. The second step should be to get rid of the time finding cheats especially those that seem to be in the local "click" or are friends and family of the racing manager. The RM should not be employed by the track and should be employed centrally. He or she should be independent and above reproach. Let's get these couple of measures adopted and the sport that we love could at least be seen to be clean but I won't hold my breath. Let's be honest if you were one of the fat cats at the IGB getting a good salary for doing precious little would you rock the boat?
Stephen Potter Ireland (Verified User) Posts 424 Dogs 127 / Races 0 01 Jul 2019 12:04
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Brian Loughnane wrote:
stephen potter wrote:
first port of call,get rid of the drug cheats and anyone who sends dogs to china,get them out before it's to late.we have got to be seen as doing something to put the wrongdoing right.
Stephen what do you know about China??? just what you read on a antis page and after seeing that program would you not be more concerned about sending a dog to Ireland because that program​ showed Ireland every bit as bad and worse than China..Tony Gallagher has been to China ask Tony what he thinks...you shouldn't make comments on something you know nothing about... again this is a perfect example of jumping on the band wagon with the antis...
brian I have never read a anti page in my life, im old enough to make my own mind up and from where im sitting just a few people have let this sport down' those who send dogs to china everyone knows how they treat dogs, and the people that use drugs to gain an advantage, in my opinion they cant have much faith in their ability to train a greyhound.
Most of us are fully aware who the rotten apples are in our sport but we can't expect all problems to be solved overnight. As the philofesor Confusias said "a journey of a 1000 miles starts with the first step" so the first step should be getting rid of the drug cheats. The IGB boast about its drug testing machine costing 400,000 but that is a pittance compared to the 16 million received from the government every year. Why not buy half a dozen machines and install them in the leading tracks e.g. Shelbourn and any track holding auctions so that testing can be done and results seen instantly. This would be considerably cheaper than the IGB have spent on the employment packages squandered on various CEOs in the last five years. It should go without saying that any owner or trainer whose dog shows a posative sample should immediately be suspended from racing all of their dogs for a fixed period without any appeal. I have never understood why it matters how a substance got into a dog beit in the meat or rubbing cocaine in its ears. The trainer is always responsible for his dogs. The second step should be to get rid of the time finding cheats especially those that seem to be in the local "click" or are friends and family of the racing manager. The RM should not be employed by the track and should be employed centrally. He or she should be independent and above reproach. Let's get these couple of measures adopted and the sport that we love could at least be seen to be clean but I won't hold my breath. Let's be honest if you were one of the fat cats at the IGB getting a good salary for doing precious little would you rock the boat?
Spot on Clive, 2 years after the clonbrien hero fiasco and still no answer, and the fella in the programme from athenry is a shocker, Philip Fenton was banned from horse racing for 2 years for having performance enhancing drugs on his premises, and our man from athenry who trains dogs for some very big owners and we have heard nothing about it, these people should have there licences taken off them and show to the rest of the country that you are serious about stamping out drugs in our sport.
The above post is only the start of similar scenes. What a mess all round, we continuously brought serious issues to the attention of both Ministers but they chose not to listen to us, one Minister said he didn't know that Cocaine/drugs was a problem in our industry, FF,FG,& SF all promised to help by raising our issues, they raised nothing only sat on the fence and stayed quite waiting for someone else to do the work for them.
You can be sure the politicians wont stay quite now after those horrifying scenes witnessed by millions on live TV. They are already calling for the funding to cease which is not the solution by any means only the start of bigger problems, this episode has the similarities of other state funded organisations which also brought their organisations crashing down through Fraud and being run by people with little or no knowledge in business, a total clean out was the secret recipe for total restructuring and total Transparency which is desperately required in the greyhound industry if we are going to survive long term, its not a blame game anymore but the survival of an entire industry and peoples livelihoods at stake so how can any Head of Regulation, Head of Welfare CEO or Chairman escape sacking after this horrendous Nationwide scenes. JMHO
Anyone from within the greyhound industry who had anything to do with the hatchet job done by RTE should hang their heads in shame. Then to come on here gloating at the damage caused speaks volumes IMHO.
Barrys tea and fbd insurance gone as sponsors, who next, we need leadership now but all we have on the board are yes men, unless dollard takes serious action soon, like banning the drug Lords mentioned on the programme we are all doomed.
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 03 Jul 2019 08:34
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francis walsh wrote:
Barrys tea and fbd insurance gone as sponsors, who next, we need leadership now but all we have on the board are yes men, unless dollard takes serious action soon, like banning the drug Lords mentioned on the programme we are all doomed.
The sponsorship development comes as the Irish Greyhound Board and Irish Coursing Club have been asked to appear before the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture next Tuesday. Committee chairman Pat Deering TD said they will be asked what structures are being put in place after the recent revelations. We want to see exactly how quickly they will do this, he said. The Irish Greyhound Board will have received 16 million in Government funding this year. We will be looking to see how much of this will be ring-fenced on animal welfare. Irish Times 03/07/19
Quote The sponsorship development comes as the Irish Greyhound Board and Irish Coursing Club have been asked to appear before the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture next Tuesday. Committee chairman Pat Deering TD said they will be asked what structures are being put in place after the recent revelations. We want to see exactly how quickly they will do this, he said.
The IGB have had all the time in the world to get this industry on a solid footing, they have failed miserably to achieve any acceptable levels of governance therefor the Chairman of the Agricultural Committee should not be asking them but telling them what steps they need to take to stop this industry going down the swany.
Finbar heslin review from a medical perspective was that he has had several cases where dogs entered his practice and were so pumped up with EPO that their blood was trickle Brian Jones in a recent statement counteracted that... Words from UK and Ireland renowned vet "Brian Jones" on the waffles from the vet on the rte programme.
It is nearly impossible to see blood as thick as tar in a greyhound .The main cause of this would be dehydration caused by disease or excessive exercise especially in an unfit dog .i would demand to see the evidence as in blood tests etc .I doubt very much if this particular man sees many racing greyhounds and to make such an outrageous about EPO and not to be challenged on it says everything about the IGB .
Finbar heslin is secretary of the EuroPetNet, a pan-European animal welfare organisation surely in this mans position making the claims he made on RTE he has documented records and has reported these findings to some form of authoritys and if not is this not a form of neglect on his behalf and maybe even slanderous towards our industry...I would ask as many people as possible to contact the State veterinarian council of Ireland and form a complaint and look for answers their contact number is 01 668 4402
Please can everyone email rte complaints as they broke their own broadcasting rules
[email protected] I enclose my email but just a line to complain they broke their own rules is good enough.
I wish to raise a complaint regarding the RTE TV programme RTE investigates broadcast on Wednesday 26th June RTE1 at 9.35pm.
This programme goes against your own standards. Please see below.
It was not objective nor impartial. The independent vet quoted incorrect information as if he had witnessed EPO thickened blood, he had a duty to report this of, which there is no record. He is the partner of an RTE news anchor who is publicly anti greyhound racing.
Historical footage was used for sensationalist purposes of dogs ears cut off ( nobody in the racing industry would do this and all dogs are microchipped in line with the law) and foreign footage shown when there is no evidence that poor dog was even a greyhound never mind an Irish one.
Secret filming of the illegal shooting of dogs at the knackeries. Why did Rte not inform the gardai or dept of agriculture immediately? Rte is complicit in standing by and allowing this to happen. Have the persons filmed been reported since? They should be banned for life.
You stated the the greyhound board declined an interview, this was incorrect as the board agreed to a live interview so that the interview could not be edited or misquoted.
There have been some positive tests for doping and I would seek the IGB to ban any serial offenders.
You claim 6000 unaccounted for dogs, the igb need to address their system as I have 2 retired dogs here at home which would be on that list.
Biased, certainly not objective nor impartial. There was no reflection on anything positive in racing like the hundreds of thousands of euros being raised for charity.
I love my greyhounds, my greyhounds love to race and I always rehome responsibly. My kennels are regularly inspected and my dogs live a healthy happy life. I have a 13 year old retired here and her daughter too.
I am disgusted, offended and appalled that you wanted to create such a one sided documentary and have tarred an entire community with the same dirty brush.
Yours sincerely
Linda Campbell
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