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Bruce Teague
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I guess we can understand why Wentworth Park ends up (as it does tomorrow) with two or three scampers over 280m thrown into the mix. Presumably, not enough noms for 520m while 720m races are almost always short of runners these days.

But that does not make it right – or good.

These ultra-short races offer no real benefits. They are really only jumping contests, not proper races. And providing opportunities to weak dogs does nothing to further the cause of the breed at large.

There is a slightly better option.

Go back 120m, knock down the fence and install a set of boxes near the kennels – hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight. (Don’t worry about the distance from boxes to lure as the dogs would soon get used to that, as would the lure driver).

Yes, it would cost a few bob but it would raise the image of the industry no end. It’s called fair dinkum racing.

Normally, I would not favour any short races at major capital city tracks. However, needs must these days. But never 280m. The same goes for sub-350m trips elsewhere (Launceston, Hobart, Cannington, Albion Park or a number of TAB tracks).



Sandro Bechini
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18 Feb 2020 06:29


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259m at Lismore

272m at The Gardens

280m at Wentworth Park

They are shorter than most break in distances

Now I hear that sub 300m boxes are being contempalted for Bulli

For gods sake, where will this madness end up



Tony Gallagher
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18 Feb 2020 06:59


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Years ago on the flapping (unregistered) tracks in the UK they had races from the 480m boxes to the finish line which was approx. 100 metres.


Matt James
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18 Feb 2020 07:54


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I'd rather see a race of 8 fast dogs all trying their best flat out for 300m than a race over 520m or 720m where most of the field either can't or has no interest in trying for that long.

But I do agree that there is no reason for putting in 300m boxes at bulli when Nowra(365), dapto(297), goulburn(350) and Richmond(330) are all within a reasonable distance from anyone that's racing at bulli




Michael Worth
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18 Feb 2020 08:10


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I think with the amount of marring and non chase in our hounds that these type of races should be available. Especially for new starters and iffy greyhounds. Keep their minds on the job. However I don’t think that there should be an influx and we should always breed for strength and tenacity. There is enough tracks already set for these races so no need to spend money , unless it’s increasing the prize money. Cheers



Steven Martin
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18 Feb 2020 08:42


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

For gods sake, where will this madness end up


It won't unfortunately Sandro.

The lack of quantity will always result in a lack of quality.

Today's racing results definitely show that after annual breeding numbers dropped from 18,000 pups AUSTRALIA WIDE to just 9 / 11,000 pups, basically overnight.

I'm not saying that that number of pups whelped was the "Bees Knees", but chopping the breeding numbers by more than 50% (in my books it was more around 62%) in one hit was not & was never the right way to go regarding the reduction of breeding numbers, to simply keep those with an agenda happy.

If only the boffins had listened to those that have had experience in the game for decades, who were airing their differences at the time....when the scaremongering begun.

IMO it's too late now. Most of the "Hard-heads" have hung up the collar & lead...& left in droves.

The battle has been lost from within & it's up to those left to resurrect the crumbs.

Not even the incentive of extra prizemoney will lure most from retirement.

Its pittance compared to the joys of winning a pissy $40 race from yesteryear meetings on a Saturday morning at Moss Vale, Lithgow or Bathurst.

They were the days. Sitting on the bonnet of the car watching the racing go around right, infront of ya.



Steven Martin
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18 Feb 2020 09:02


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Bruce Teague wrote:

hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight.


Suggesting CORNER STARTS is simply Ludacris Bruce. Especially on a premier track. A man of your experience should know that.

EXTERNAL LINK




Ryan Vanderwert
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18 Feb 2020 10:20


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Bruce Teague wrote:

......There is a slightly better option.

Go back 120m, knock down the fence and install a set of boxes near the kennels – hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight...………….

what happened to all the consultants, proper track design and the like...………………...oh my how the worm turns!




Tom Rees
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18 Feb 2020 10:40


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Agree with proposal of chutes on tracks to assist in straight starts, wenty / Richmond / dapto could all easily adopt this and have better racing, if Nsw wants better numbers build the right track setup so we can stop sending our dogs down to race in Victoria. Prime example look at Bulli this week, it’s Bulli’s biggest of nights and they’ll struggle to fill 8 races on the card, most likely no race greater than 472m.


Bruce Teague
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19 Feb 2020 03:55


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steven martin wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight.


Suggesting CORNER STARTS is simply Ludacris Bruce. Especially on a premier track. A man of your experience should know that.

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Steve,

The full quote is "Go back 120m, knock down the fence and install a set of boxes near the kennels – hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight".

As I indicated, at the jump this would place the boxes/dogs somewhat further away from the lure than normal but it would offer a straight run to the existing corner. No question of a bend start.

That straight run would then be of the order of 12s or so to the next corner.

In turn, that's time enough for the field to sort itself out a bit before hitting the corner. As a result, interference would be lessened.

Having said that, I view that corner (the 280m/720m first turn) as dicey anyway - as does UTS in its studies - but that's another subject.

I agree that short races should not have a place on premier tracks. However, I was prompted to comment only because the PTB is unable to attract enough runners over proper distances. As a principle, this applies at many tracks where the majority trip is the shortest one available.

Those are the cards we have been dealt. What we need is a new pack.



Graham Moscow
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19 Feb 2020 05:40


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Romantic Dreamers
Future Sprint races will not decrease only increase.
We are Well past the point of no return. New pack ? full of jokers.
But go ahead have a good whinge if makes you feel good.



Steven Martin
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Steve,

The full quote is "Go back 120m, knock down the fence and install a set of boxes near the kennels – hey presto, 400m races with a direct look down the back straight".

As I indicated, at the jump this would place the boxes/dogs somewhat further away from the lure than normal but it would offer a straight run to the existing corner. No question of a bend start.

That straight run would then be of the order of 12s or so to the next corner.


I totally understand now Bruce. I just thought you may have missed quoted yourself.

Ok....So what your saying is if we were to draw a straight line down the back straight & continue that straight line past the 280/720m boxes for another 120m, we could run 400m races, should funds be available. Is this correct?


Rob Horne
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19 Feb 2020 09:36


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People thought Packer was crazy for pushing 1 day cricket.

People thought the Indian’s were crazy for pushing 20/20 cricket.

......

I know, I know, (the dogs) it’s just not cricket.




Sandro Bechini
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19 Feb 2020 09:46


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Rob Horne wrote:

People thought Packer was crazy for pushing 1 day cricket.

People thought the Indian’s were crazy for pushing 20/20 cricket.

......

I know, I know, (the dogs) it’s just not cricket.

And now cricket is just a hit and a giggle



Gillian Wilcox
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Bruce you are on the wrong side of the track try putting in a 600 start the would get 1 or 2 races per meeting .


Bruce Teague
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gillian wilcox wrote:

Bruce you are on the wrong side of the track try putting in a 600 start the would get 1 or 2 races per meeting .

Gillian,

Absolutely, but we have been told for years that it is an engineering impossibility (still not sure how valid this is).

More to the point is that Wenty is poor from almost any angle - always has been. In truth it needs a total rebuild but lease issues etc keep frustrating any move in that direction.

My current suggestion had two aims - (1) an attempt to make a lousy race more palatable and (2) to illustrate that innovative approaches are both desirable and possible at existing tracks.

I could offer a couple of dozen more examples of such improvements (and have done so over the years), some of which would not cost a fortune, but our decision-makers keep ignoring the problems or stuffing up the alleged solutions, or repeating previous errors. The most recent was big bucks spent on Gosford where a bend start 400m was replaced by a bend start 388m.



Sandro Bechini
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gillian wilcox wrote:

Bruce you are on the wrong side of the track try putting in a 600 start the would get 1 or 2 races per meeting .

Best suggestion of all


Ray Webster
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20 Feb 2020 01:14


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What you are suggesting Bruce is not possible. To extend the back straight 120m and create a shute start would mean the starting position for a 400m race would be around 60m from the lure. Cant see the idea working. 600m racing at Wenty is a must imo.


Mark Staines
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20 Feb 2020 04:33


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Corner starts are a disgrace should of been terminated years ago !!!!!!



Mark Donohue
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You’re right Mark, but not much has been done across the State to fix the problem, except for maybe Gosford. They had $30 million to start with, three years ago.

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