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Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 25 Oct 2020 23:47
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Steven Dummett wrote:
Im looking for some information from someone with scientific knowledge to assist my research into Procaine in greyhounds.
You'll be struggling to find that person on here.
Billy Kiely Ireland (Verified User) Posts 241 Dogs 3 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 09:22
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Steven Dummett wrote:
Im looking for some information from someone with scientific knowledge to assist my research into Procaine in greyhounds.
If there's a website called dental data that would be the way to go.
Steven Dummett United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 5 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 09:54
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Thanks - have there been any recorded positives in Ireland, UK, Australia or America in greyhounds containing Procaine and any how it could get into the greyhounds system?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 Oct 2020 10:20
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Steven Dummett wrote:
Thanks - have there been any recorded positives in Ireland, UK, Australia or America in greyhounds containing Procaine and any how it could get into the greyhounds system?
In Australia almost all positive cases have come from the food chain
Downers that have been given Procaine into the teat for mastitis and other related dairy cow problems . The cow dies and we end up with contaminated meat
30 odd years ago we used to be able to use Procaine for sand toe sand burn. Procaine is now able to be detected at a very low reading ..One eye drop in a swimming pool can be detected and will come up as a positive swab there is no set limit or range Stay away from Knackery meat use human grade only at all times or you risk a positive for a range of things today I hope that helps
Steven Dummett United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 5 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 13:10
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Steven Dummett wrote:
Thanks - have there been any recorded positives in Ireland, UK, Australia or America in greyhounds containing Procaine and any how it could get into the greyhounds system?
In Australia almost all positive cases have come from the food chain
Downers that have been given Procaine into the teat for mastitis and other related dairy cow problems . The cow dies and we end up with contaminated meat
30 odd years ago we used to be able to use Procaine for sand toe sand burn. Procaine is now able to be detected at a very low reading ..One eye drop in a swimming pool can be detected and will come up as a positive swab there is no set limit or range Stay away from Knackery meat use human grade only at all times or you risk a positive for a range of things today I hope that helps
Thanks Kevin, would you say Procaine works as an enhancer if found in the system or a stopper?
Also if the meat is of good quality grade and cooked thoroughly could the Procaine still be present?
Howard Moshinsky USA (Verified User) Posts 886 Dogs 3 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 14:15
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the only plausible use might be as muscle injury topical application similar to 4% lidocaine patches it will show up in after race testing 40 years ago many owners were cited for its illegal use
howard reg pharmacist
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 Oct 2020 19:19
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Steven Dummett wrote:
Kevin Wright wrote:
Steven Dummett wrote:
Thanks - have there been any recorded positives in Ireland, UK, Australia or America in greyhounds containing Procaine and any how it could get into the greyhounds system?
In Australia almost all positive cases have come from the food chain
Downers that have been given Procaine into the teat for mastitis and other related dairy cow problems . The cow dies and we end up with contaminated meat
30 odd years ago we used to be able to use Procaine for sand toe sand burn. Procaine is now able to be detected at a very low reading ..One eye drop in a swimming pool can be detected and will come up as a positive swab there is no set limit or range Stay away from Knackery meat use human grade only at all times or you risk a positive for a range of things today I hope that helps
Thanks Kevin, would you say Procaine works as an enhancer if found in the system or a stopper?
Also if the meat is of good quality grade and cooked thoroughly could the Procaine still be present?
Procain levels in meat are so low that it has no effect on any greyhounds IMO ....
Greyhound testing can detect very small amounts into the parts per millions.
Cooking of Meat will kill any trace of procain but i would not risk it for race dogs use it on pups broodies retired hounds ..
Robert Conway Australia (Verified User) Posts 461 Dogs 4 / Races 0 27 Oct 2020 21:34
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here if you are caught with procane you get 6 months with 4 suspended no matter what your case is
yest it is in human consumption meat this can be found on the web
Steven Dummett United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 5 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Oct 2020 06:11
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robert conway wrote:
here if you are caught with procane you get 6 months with 4 suspended no matter what your case is
yest it is in human consumption meat this can be found on the web
Even if its totally out of your control and your buying top of the range meat from a reliable source and cooking it thoroughly?
Jason Caley Australia (Verified User) Posts 385 Dogs 6 / Races 0 30 Oct 2020 09:02
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Steven Dummett wrote:
robert conway wrote:
here if you are caught with procane you get 6 months with 4 suspended no matter what your case is
yest it is in human consumption meat this can be found on the web
Even if its totally out of your control and your buying top of the range meat from a reliable source and cooking it thoroughly?
21-30 days is the official and generally recognised withholding for Procaine in human consumption beef and longer tolerance for milk (dairy) cows, the advice is don't use on lactating cows.
Yes there are examples of human consumption beef having procaine if you live in Cameroon for example. So everyone is correct and take what you will from all this factually accurate information. ;)
Confusing isn't it?
I'll try to make it heaps easier -- all these are banned substances if you present them to race and it is detected yet all of them are also therapeutic agents and totally alright outside of competition - put them in your treatment record if administering -- and acknowledge withholding times per vet advice.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 31 Oct 2020 20:36
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Laboratory tests have been greatly improved. I have been told Greyhounds Australasia may put out an updated list of withholding times. I believe drugs like carprofen, Meloxicam, dexamethasone may be picked up for much longer. Err on the safe side.
Steven Dummett United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 5 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Nov 2020 15:03
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Any one on here able to read and understand lab reports to understand limits etc?
Do you have questions how to use the Greyhound-Data website?
