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Australian Track Records
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1626 Dogs 2993 / Races 11817 03 Feb 2012 07:02
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NGF (29/12/11) & Recorder (19/1/12)published lists of Aust Records. Full marks to NGF for keeping the "eternal" records for tracks no longer raced at & distances no longer used, BUT, between the two publications, there were 23 Wrong,Incorrect or Superceded record times !! And that's just on NSW tracks! NGF had 17 & Recorder 6. Some of the correct new records are on the GD data base, BUT, the system, if there is one, doesn't update the TRACK RECORD sections. Consequently, you see : Tr xyz dog 31.20 (apr 2004) and then, Fastest of the year : 31.15 (sept 2009)(as an example) Many of the track records are YEARS OLD ! The track record section in Stadia is missing many distances currently in use today.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 22 Nov 2019 09:13
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Hooked On Scotch tonight ran 28.93 in his Melbourne Cup heat at Sandown to break Unlawful Entry's record of 28.95
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Nov 2019 23:19
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Rod Hampton wrote:
NGF (29/12/11) & Recorder (19/1/12)published lists of Aust Records. Full marks to NGF for keeping the "eternal" records for tracks no longer raced at & distances no longer used, BUT, between the two publications, there were 23 Wrong,Incorrect or Superceded record times !! And that's just on NSW tracks! NGF had 17 & Recorder 6. Some of the correct new records are on the GD data base, BUT, the system, if there is one, doesn't update the TRACK RECORD sections. Consequently, you see : Tr xyz dog 31.20 (apr 2004) and then, Fastest of the year : 31.15 (sept 2009)(as an example) Many of the track records are YEARS OLD ! The track record section in Stadia is missing many distances currently in use today.
Rod, it has always been thus.
Also, a common missing element is that changes to tracks or equipment are rarely noted yet they specifically affect times. New timers in Melbourne are examples. Other changes can significantly affect winning box numbers. One was the alteration to the Warrnambool 450m layout some time back - the distance remaining unchanged.
Sensibly, all Australian form data should be shifted to a professional unit separated from any commercial or authority source.
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1626 Dogs 2993 / Races 11817 23 Nov 2019 06:56
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Some trivia: Looking at 7 Vic tracks, the track record holders, of distances between 425m & 485 m, have a per metre time of 0.055 At Maitland on thursday, Ebby Infrared (Aussie Infrared x Lonesome Knight) averaged that time & another, La Grand Quality ( El Grand Senor x All Quality)averaged 0.547, which was slightly slower than it's track record average per metre time of 0.054 Hooked On Scotch averaged 0.056 on Thursday
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 23 Nov 2019 08:01
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The shape of the track has a lot to do with that stat
Horse Shoe tracks will always be faster than 4 bend tight circle tracks
Straight tracks, not uphill, should be faster than horse shoe tracks
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1626 Dogs 2993 / Races 11817 23 Nov 2019 20:08
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Sandro : Harold Park 457 - Satan's Legend - 25.95 = 0.0567 per metre
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Nov 2019 02:16
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
The shape of the track has a lot to do with that stat
Horse Shoe tracks will always be faster than 4 bend tight circle tracks
Straight tracks, not uphill, should be faster than horse shoe tracks
Agree Sandro. A related principle is that a number of records are run out of box 7 or 8 (see Hooked on Scotch) provided they begin well enough. The slingshot around the first turn has the effect of maintaining higher speed as they enter the turn.
Also variable is the banking on that turn. It can vary but often the Horshoe shape includes a higher bank so the dog can maintain a higher speed. Harold Park was a prime example. The old Maitland track was another.
The reverse is true of spots like Richmond and Ipswich where flattish 1st turns are dictated by the nearby starts for 400m races so 500m dogs can easily be sent wide.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Nov 2019 09:22
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Rod Hampton wrote:
Sandro : Harold Park 457 - Satan's Legend - 25.95 = 0.0567 per metre
That's a long time ago Rod
I would bet, that at the time, that was the quickest horseshow run per metre anywhere in Australia
If Harold Park was around now I daresay the record would be down to 25.50 or faster
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Nov 2019 09:26
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Castle Rock 18.87 for 350m. Murray Bridge straight wind assisted.
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1626 Dogs 2993 / Races 11817 24 Nov 2019 18:04
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Bulli 4/17 Aston Dee Bee 25.78 = 0.0546 per metre as I said ,it's only a bit of trivia
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 08 Feb 2020 00:11
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Feb 2020 03:11
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Rajahstan is a terrific chaser Mick and Cia ran a gallant second !!!!!
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 08 Feb 2020 09:03
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Congratulations to Damien, Tim and the boys on Rajasthan's new track record. It's great to see people who are putting so much into the dogs getting something out of them as well. Hopefully it will stand for some time. Cheers.
Damien Bates Australia (Verified User) Posts 127 Dogs 0 / Races 8 08 Feb 2020 19:47
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Thanks Ryan , we have had an absolute ball watching our boy. Incredible to think he hadn't won a city race from 30 odd starts when we got him. Rob and Deb have done an incredible job with him.
Funny thing is he was never going to Bathurst it was an after thought. The plan was to go Wednesday 600 at the meadows into the rookie rebel. They ran a 7 dog grade 5 rather than putting on a mixed 4/5 as he was deemed to "superior" to go in that field.
We look forward to heading over on the weekend
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 09 Feb 2020 08:58
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ITALIAN PLASTIC broken the Shepparton track record on the 30th Jan over the 385m trip, making it 30 wins from 63 starts.
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