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John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 13:55
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Stephen,is it your statement then that these dogs are better off with the trainers and owners that abuse them, is that not the welfare issue we are trying to sort out here ALONG WITH THE CHEATING.THESE FINES ARE A NONSENSE AND SEND OUT A VERY VERY BAD MESSAGE .THE MONIES FORFEITED, HAS THAT BEEN PAID TO THE RUNNER UP IN THESE RACES.? IF NOT THEN WHY NOT.? 402 NOW DAVE ,PEOPLE ARE SEEING SOME GLIMMER OF HOPE AT LAST.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 14:28
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stephen burns wrote:
so all the 16 trainers are banned from today there are 300 dogs collectively trained by these people where do they go, i agree ban if they keep offending
Ridicules statement, Totally wrong thing to say.
Stephen Burns Ireland (Verified User) Posts 911 Dogs 2 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 14:34
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no im not suggesting they stay where they are at all and i wont post anymore as you not getting the point im making good luck
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 30 Jan 2014 14:39
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stephen burns wrote:
no im not suggesting they stay where they are at all and i wont post anymore as you not getting the point im making good luck
stephen,what exactly is the point you trying to make
so all the 16 trainers are banned from today there are 300 dogs collectively trained by these people where do they go, i agree ban if they keep offending
Ridicules statement, Totally wrong thing to say.
maybe Stephen wants to say then same i am worrying about. won t be 300 dogs but if ban the dog as well and dog can not run for 6 month or longer dog is not any good to nobody and might be pts. tommy might also stay away from buying him, being afraid not having the good dog it suppose to be. and that is a welfare issue
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 16:22
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NATALIE,THESE ARE MAINLY OPEN CLASS RACERS U ARE TALKING ABOUT ,THE OWNERS CAN'T BE SHORT OF MONEY TO HAVE THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND P.T.S IS VERY UNLIKELY ,THEY CAN MOVE THERE DOG AND WHEN TOTALLY DRUG FREE , THEY CAN PUT THEM BACK TO RACE AGAIN.THE BHA BANNED THE HORSES FOUND TO BE CHEATING LAST YEAR FOR MONTHS ,THERE WAS NO WELFARE ISSUE.RULE MUST BE APPLIED TO SEND THE MESSAGE THIS CULTURE OF CHEATING IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE TOLERATED.
Anthony Walsh (Verified User) Posts 146 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 16:40
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brian ahern wrote:
They can go to people who love greyhounds, won't run them when they are injured, wont give them drivers to get them out the boxes faster than their counterparts, there are plenty of comptent straight trainers and owners who have the welfare of this sport and the welfare of the dogs at heart.
Totally agree Brian. I would also say that owners that leave their dogs with these trainers now, are no better than the trainers themselves and have no regard for the welfare of the dogs, it's win at all costs. I have noticed one very high profile owner over the last 10-15 yrs has never given a dog to any trainer other than one that has been convicted of drug cheating, it's a sad state of affairs. Would anyone leave their children with a convicted pedophile... No I don't think you would, so you shouldn't leave your dog with a convicted drug cheat either, anyone who does should be ashamed of themselves and the greyhound board should be also, for continuing to allow it.
Karin Milling Denmark (Verified User) Posts 290 Dogs 68 / Races 15 30 Jan 2014 18:06
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Well I am one of the people on that list !!
My dog was treated with an injectable antibiotic (sore throat) the week before the race and it turned out that the antibiotic contained Procaine !!!
As dogs don't process procaine very well and the antibiotic was a Long Acting (LA) it showed up in the test.
I would NEVER run one of my dogs if it was in any way unsuited to race (sick, injured etc)
Got 200 eur fine !!! but another trainer only got 100 eur for the same substance - why ??
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 18:24
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WHY DID U RUN THEN KARIN IF U KNEW IT WAS A LONG LASTING DRUG.I USE MANUKA HONEY FOR SORE THROATS WORKS A TREAT.IF U WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THIS BY WHO TREATED YOUR DOG I WOULD BE ASKING SERIOUS QUESTIONS OF THEM.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 18:38
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If for one minute the ICC think we are going to settle for their pathetic publication of trainers names and their laughable fines they have another think coming, What we want is all names and proper realistic punishment, We understand that any trainer who has contested their innocents cannot be named for legal reasons, and there are plenty of them contesting. How long are we going to wait for the real results, Minister Hayes has been informed of this recent Joke, Further steps have been taken for a meeting in person with Minister Hayes asap , next week, no more hanging around while the cheats try and wriggle their way out through a loop hole. The ICC have had more than enough time to sort out this shambolic testing system and positive samples taken from cheating trainers. IF nothing is forth coming in the next few weeks we will be leaving no stone unturned and going above their heads.
Karin Milling Denmark (Verified User) Posts 290 Dogs 68 / Races 15 30 Jan 2014 18:42
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John Murry - stop shouting LOL turn the Caps Lock off.
I didn't know the antibiotic contained Procaine !
Wouldn't have used it if I had known. Its not all LA antibiotics that contain Procaine.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 18:48
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Karin Milling wrote:
Well I am one of the people on that list !!
My dog was treated with an injectable antibiotic (sore throat) the week before the race and it turned out that the antibiotic contained Procaine !!!
As dogs don't process procaine very well and the antibiotic was a Long Acting (LA) it showed up in the test.
I would NEVER run one of my dogs if it was in any way unsuited to race (sick, injured etc)
Got 200 eur fine !!! but another trainer only got 100 eur for the same substance - why ??
Karin 1st Who gave you the antibiotic injection ? 2nd Who administered the injection ? 3rd Did you ask what the withdraw period was.
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 18:48
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KARIN, some people find it hard to read the small print.
John Murry - stop shouting LOL turn the Caps Lock off.
I didn't know the antibiotic contained Procaine !
Wouldn't have used it if I had known. Its not all LA antibiotics that contain Procaine.
Well at least you came on to explain Karin fair play to you and I am sure it will never happen again you will ask vet the next time, they should start a fresh new measures 3 strike rule (1) strike 1,500 fine dog banned 30 days (2)strike 5,000 fine all trainers dogs banned 30 days (3)strike NO Fine TRAINER BANNED FOR LIFE.
Paul Quilty Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1224 Dogs 48 / Races 67 30 Jan 2014 19:19
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Karin Milling wrote:
Well I am one of the people on that list !!
My dog was treated with an injectable antibiotic (sore throat) the week before the race and it turned out that the antibiotic contained Procaine !!!
As dogs don't process procaine very well and the antibiotic was a Long Acting (LA) it showed up in the test.
I would NEVER run one of my dogs if it was in any way unsuited to race (sick, injured etc)
Got 200 eur fine !!! but another trainer only got 100 eur for the same substance - why ??
Karen first of all fair play for coming on here and I don't believe you should be ridiculed. You could have contested the results and hide behind legal like some others. Can I ask you did you sign the petition? and what punishment do you think is appropriate for offenders. You can surely understand that Drugs in rife in our sport and that honest people are being cheated by some so called Top Trainers who have been at it for years and having it covered up by the IGB...
Paul Quilty Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1224 Dogs 48 / Races 67 30 Jan 2014 19:28
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Barry Coppard wrote:
I bet Michael Fortune must be choking on his cocoa tonight!
Not a word on Talking Dogs about all this ..shame on Michael Fortune supporting his Buddies again.....
James Lee Ireland (Verified User) Posts 97 Dogs 6 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 19:35
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
If for one minute the ICC think we are going to settle for their pathetic publication of trainers names and their laughable fines they have another think coming, What we want is all names and proper realistic punishment, We understand that any trainer who has contested their innocents cannot be named for legal reasons, and there are plenty of them contesting. How long are we going to wait for the real results, Minister Hayes has been informed of this recent Joke, Further steps have been taken for a meeting in person with Minister Hayes asap , next week, no more hanging around while the cheats try and wriggle their way out through a loop hole. The ICC have had more than enough time to sort out this shambolic testing system and positive samples taken from cheating trainers. IF nothing is forth coming in the next few weeks we will be leaving no stone unturned and going above their heads.
Dave,its the Irish Greyhound Board not the ICC just to get it straight.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 19:53
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Yes Paul your right there,I will ring him tomorrow and see if he is interested on putting something up. Paul I was talking to a very respectable gentleman today from Waterford area and it seems that they are having big problems with certain trainer working with manager , he gets away with murder and this cheat has also contested large amount of positives , he don't even have to kennel dogs up ,he leaves them in his van to just before his race, this has been reported and nothing happened ,may be that's why Michael Falvey was down there to keep an eye on him, This is getting worse by the day.
Maurice Mullaney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 376 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2014 20:02
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hi dave,just to add my support to what u are doing.i signed the petition in galway track when asked by loraine.today the igb published results in the sporting press.some of these samples must have got lost,as some are from 2011!u are starting to get results by the look of things.its time to get all the big name trainers to sign as well.meaney and co are trying to b smart by publishing 2011 results?we want ALL results.and we want them now
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