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Dave Cunningham
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Dave Lonergan wrote:

damien doyle wrote:

With over 2700 views why so little signatures are people not that bothered about drugs in our game.
people check the thread lots of times that's why so many views


Dave ,26,300 views to date ,the heat is on.


John Murray
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I see on the petition thread Matt o Donnell did not mince his words about drugs coming from meat. Procaine in Meat a load of Bull. Nice to see some straight talking for once,how refreshing.



John Daniels
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31 Jan 2014 09:21


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its important that when the media get wind of this that the right voices are heard,



Lar Sutton
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31 Jan 2014 09:53


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anthony walsh wrote:

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john daniels wrote:

how come some of these are 2011 did they pick dogs that are retired to ban , and i thought someone had 16 or 17 positives, or am i on drugs as well. if procaine is in knacker meat why are they not prople being caught every week as there is only a numbered amount of registered suppliers that the same dog men use across the country

How come some dogs tested on the same night from the same kennel presumably using the same meat didnt prove positiv

I have been request to put up a post on behalf of one of the greatest trainers we every had in Ireland. He just came home from hospital today and is now fine and that is Matt ODonnell, who has won 5 Derbys and hundreds of finals on every track in Ireland. Matt said he has been using knacker meat for 49 yrs and has never had a positive test from it yet. If these guys are using the excuse of knacker meat it is a load of bull and to Dave Cunningham, Matt wants his name added to the petition to the minister. Speaking now on my own behalf, as a farmer the chances of getting procaine from knacker meat is about as good as my chances as winning the derby - which is nil....I have had upto 200 animals on the farm on occasions and any cattle that has died on my farm, were found dead and never received any treatment and any of them that received pencillin usually recover, that's why they get it in the first place. So very few animals collected by knackeries have pencillin in them and that has to be the same on nearly all farms.
We all hope to see Matt back on the tracks again soon.

Great to see Matt O'Donnell on board and I also saw Dolores Ruth's name on it the other day.



Daryl McLaughlin
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Encouraging to see some of the big trainers supporting this. Parts of todays racing post would make you feel sick reading them however.



John Daniels
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Daryl McLaughlin wrote:

Encouraging to see some of the big trainers supporting this. Parts of todays racing post would make you feel sick reading them however.

maybe contacting a few of the papers would strengthen the cause , let them hear our side of the story, before the other shower start spoofing there shite



Dave Cunningham
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john daniels wrote:

Daryl McLaughlin wrote:

Encouraging to see some of the big trainers supporting this. Parts of todays racing post would make you feel sick reading them however.

maybe contacting a few of the papers would strengthen the cause , let them hear our side of the story, before the other shower start spoofing there shite


John ,before we go near the papers ,we need to have hard facts, We now need to set up meeting with Minister Hayes and Simon Coveney,ASAP,Tom Hayes office is to ring me on Monday morning and I will know more then.

We need to push forward with meeting in order for better and stronger results .



Dave Lonergan
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will there be much testing in powerstown I wonder after all there is only one trial stake winner how many dogs lost to cheaters over the years we will never know. coursing is expensive and requires great effort by owner/trainer to keep dog fit and sound then ready to go only to be beaten along the line by a cheat theres no comeback.. so I wonder why all dogs are not tested at least in powerstown


John Murray
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Agree Dave,U were the one to start this action and I feel U should be the one to bring it forward with our backing.Lets not loose sight of the end game people,RESULTS can be achieved if everyone has the one goal,STOP THE CHEATERS.


Carole Shinkwin
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Did anyone have a good laugh at the racing post when reading how little the trainers were fined when found with illegal substances in their dogs, talk about taking the piss out of honest trainers. I think every dog that qualifies through heats of opens and stakes should be tested before leaving the track, and this goes for the coursing as well. Irish Greyhound Industry will never have a good name as long as dishonest trainers are being allowed to cheat the system.


Carole Shinkwin
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Procaine is a local anesthetic. Procaine causes loss of feeling (numbness) of skin and mucous membranes.

Procaine (like cocaine) has the advantage of constricting blood vessels which reduces bleeding, unlike other local anesthetics

Discontinue use of this drug for the following time periods before treated animals are slaughtered - Cattle & Horses 10 days.


Dave Cunningham
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:

Did anyone have a good laugh at the racing post when reading how little the trainers were fined when found with illegal substances in their dogs, talk about taking the piss out of honest trainers. I think every dog that qualifies through heats of opens and stakes should be tested before leaving the track, and this goes for the coursing as well. Irish Greyhound Industry will never have a good name as long as dishonest trainers are being allowed to cheat the system.

Carole , The money that's involved in the greyhound business as you are well aware is astronomical and should not be aloud to be trampled in to the ground by those cheats, how much more are the board going to tolerate from those arrogant trainers, and also to be told what to do from certain individuals ,People with stud dogs ,coming from those trainers who are trying to make a living and a reputation for themselves have no chance as people will not go near them, they have and are continuing to Destroy the whole Industry with there greed and drive for fame.





John Murray
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But Dave, has any of the Stud owners signed this Petition,if not Why not,is it not in there own interest to have the dogs going to stand at the studs CLEAN.


Dave Cunningham
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john murray wrote:

But Dave, has any of the Stud owners signed this Petition,if not Why not,is it not in there own interest to have the dogs going to stand at the studs CLEAN.

John , I know of one who has signed and the sire has come from a well known establishment ,with only a few mating's, speaks for its self. they are destroying all around them.



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from los angeles times 1993
Surge in Use of Procaine Is Alleged
jan 9 1993 |BILL CHRISTINE | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Rocked by horse-drugging scandals involving cocaine and clenbuterol in recent years, California racing investigators and chemists are turning their attention to a wave of positive post-race tests for another banned medication.
No stewards' rulings have been issued, but a member of the California Horse Racing Board who declined to be identified said that the state's testing laboratory has found "10 or 12" positives for procaine in recent weeks.
Procaine is a local anesthetic that can resemble cocaine, but is less toxic. Procaine, commonly found in penicillin compounds, can act as a stimulant when used independently. Procaine also is a painkiller and can block a horse's nerves.
"There is some procaine going around, based on the testing," said Hal Diaz, who heads the racing board's enforcement division. "I can't be specific because hearings and investigations are ongoing. Most of the activity is in Southern California."
The racing board commissioner who talked to The Times said that the rash of procaine positives involves both thoroughbreds and quarter horses. At least one of the positives has been attributed to a horse who raced at Santa Anita, and another positive came from a horse at Bay Meadows, in Northern California.
This latest round of drug positives has hit before the racing board has finished its disposition of the clenbuterol incidents that led to national criticism of California racing last year. Four thoroughbred trainers, racing at Santa Anita and Hollywood Park, ran horses that tested positive for clenbuterol, a drug that reduces pulmonary bleeding and is said to enhance performance.
Before the horses' urine could be tested by a backup laboratory, the racing board and its secretary, Dennis Hutcheson, dismissed charges against the trainers. The later tests also came back positive.
Hutcheson's handling of the cases was investigated by the California Department of Justice and that report has been turned over to the Sacramento district attorney's office, which is determining whether Hutcheson acted criminally.
In a recent clenbuterol development, Harvey Furgatch, a horse owner and racing board member in the 1970s, sued the board, asking that the Sacramento Superior Court order Hutcheson to make public information regarding all clenbuterol cases dating to 1991. Hutcheson has never identified the four trainers. In a story last September, The Times identified Barbara Caganich as one of them.
A hearing regarding Furgatch's suit is scheduled in Sacramento on Monday.
The breeder and owner of Kentucky Derby winners Gato Del Sol and Sunday Silence, Arthur B. Hancock III recently wrote in The Blood-Horse magazine: "The clenbuterol fiasco in California was one of the major blights on the industry in the past year."
The racing board's credibility was severely tested in the late 1980s, when dozens of trainers, including Wayne Lukas and the late Laz Barrera, raced horses that tested positive for cocaine. Most of the charges were dropped because of lack of evidence.
One of the most prominent procaine positives occurred in 1985, after the $260,000 E.P. Taylor Stakes had been run at Woodbine in suburban Toronto. Jemifa, a filly from Italy, finished second, but tested positive, was disqualified and her owner was deprived of the $61,500 purse.
Jemifa was trained by Patrick Biancone, the European conditioner who won the 1983 horse-of-the-year title in North America with the filly All Along.
After the Woodbine race, Biancone said that Jemifa had a virus and had been treated with penicillin eight days before the race.
"Penicillin is a medication that is used for many horse ailments," said Rick Arthur, a private veterinarian who treats horses at Santa Anita and other California tracks. "For example, if a horse is gelded, he is given penicillin and he can resume training about two weeks later."
Arthur said that he was not aware of the recent procaine positives.
"My first reaction is that the testing is getting so sophisticated that it's picking up procaine that should have already gone through a horse's bloodstream," he said. "I'll tell you about a top trainer, although I won't say his name, who was told by a state vet that two days would be enough time for the medication to leave the system. This trainer is so straight-arrow that he waited four or five days before running the horse, and the test still came back positive and he lost the purse money."
In 1986, Hall of Fame trainer Charlie Whittingham and one of his assistants, George Lambert, were fined $500 apiece by stewards at Santa Anita after a 3-year-old filly tested positive for procaine. The filly, who finished fourth in a maiden race, was disqualified from purse money. Whittingham said that the filly, which had a leg infection, had been treated with penicillin and procaine six days before the race.
Jolypha might have the potential to be the best filly Bobby Frankel has ever trained, but as long as it keeps raining at Santa Anita, fans aren't going to get the chance to see her.




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interesting
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Dave Cunningham
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Dave Lonergan wrote:

interesting
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Interesting to say the least Dave, we need ELISA now.


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E-mail sent to Michael Fortune on the 31st Jan 8.15 pm, Integrity of greyhound racing. we look forward to his reply on Talking DOGS .


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Done


John Murray
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Patsy,your signature has not registered ,try again

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