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Stephen Fishwick Ireland (Verified User) Posts 122 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 May 2016 21:42
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Yes, its what they do in ireland
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 13 May 2016 21:44
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Wonder Millie pulled out after testing positive EXTERNAL LINK WONDER MILLIE, an impressive first-round winner last Saturday, has been disqualified from the Derby after providing a sample which has tested positive for the banned substance theophylline.
As with all first-round qualifiers, the sample from the Oliver Canavan-trained dog was fast-tracked by the GBGBs testing laboratory LGC, with initial concerns raised on Thursday being confirmed yesterday afternoon.
The official time of Wonder Millies disqualification was 4.58pm and his absence leaves trap three vacant in Saturday's heat 15 of the second round.
Fast-track sampling was introduced as a response to the situation in 2003 whereby Droopys Hewitt was stripped of the Derby title following the revelation that a third-round sample taken from him was positive. That only came to light after the final.
Wonder Millies withdrawal is the third year running that a first-round qualifier has been disqualified before participating in the second round following on from fellow Irish raiders Kereight King in 2014 and Bellmore Neymar last year.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 13 May 2016 21:50
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Stephen fishwick wrote:
Yes, its what they do in ireland
Stephen,i only asked as you appeared in earlier posts to not be over happy about trainers being named for testing for that pentobarbital stuff...
"Fast-track sampling was introduced as a response to the situation in 2003 whereby Droopys Hewitt was stripped of the Derby title following the revelation that a third-round sample taken from him was positive. That only came to light after the final."
This is what needs in Ireland "Fast Track Sampling" it can be done and should be done, at whatever cost. After all it is all down to integrity and transparency issues to develop such a product effectively. Zero integrity or transparency like the current situation, we are on a road to a dead end with no option of return.
Liam Taylor (Verified User) Posts 517 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 May 2016 00:21
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Anyone's dog can test positive by mistake or intention. All dog's found positive with a prohibitive substance should be closely scrutinised and trainer/owner should be monitered closely.. Trainer/owner are to blame not the dog. Trainer/owner should be penalised accordingly.In fairness all should get the benefit of doubt with one mistake but repeated mistakes/intention's NO EXCUSE.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 14 May 2016 10:19
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
That would not surprise me one bit Peter, I would be very surprised if thresholds and tolerances were not a factor in this pentobarbital hearings, if it is the case that all those trainers who tested positive for pentobarbital escape sanctions I would be urging all owners to stop giving samples as it is one rule for the big boys and another for the wee man.JMO.
I would doubt if the trainers/owners ("top trainers or not") get away scot free on the pentobarbital positives,as there has already been a pentobarbital case dealt with by the control committee and 250 euro fine imposed...
Declan Power Ireland (Verified User) Posts 342 Dogs 13 / Races 0 14 May 2016 11:30
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250 Euro fine...thats some deterrent. ...if they put another zero toit and make it 2500 then it may put lads off...So yet another Irish dog caught with drug's, we over here are been made to look like some cheats..A big thanks to all the dopers who continue to run our sport and reputation into the ground. ...yee are doing a great job...
Anthony Ronan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 221 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 May 2016 11:40
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dog sold at the thurles sales was witdrawn from a race in brandywel, it was positive when trialed at thurles sales
Joe Mc Gorrey United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1292 Dogs 2 / Races 0 14 May 2016 12:41
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theres two things i blame is one limerck lab not up to purpose and the clowns thats in igb board they are the biggest jokes ever to grace this world
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 14 May 2016 14:14
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joe mc gorrey wrote:
theres two things i blame is one limerck lab not up to purpose and the clowns thats in igb board they are the biggest jokes ever to grace this world
I havent a clue whether or not the lab in limerick is up to scratch but is is catching these guys so it's not that bad... On the igb,they for sure dont get everything right but now is the time to support the gb on these drug issues,for some reason or another there seems to be an element of get a top solicitor/barrister and you can beat just about anything!!! Is that part of culture-not just in doggy game but typical of society in general on this wee island??
Anthony Ronan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 221 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 May 2016 14:28
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2 dogs positive in thurls sales 7th November and 9th January,both allowed trials and to race in brandywel and lifford since that.did igb pay out prize money or notify new owners
Joe Mc Gorrey United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1292 Dogs 2 / Races 0 14 May 2016 14:36
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michael de ward wrote:
joe mc gorrey wrote:
theres two things i blame is one limerck lab not up to purpose and the clowns thats in igb board they are the biggest jokes ever to grace this world
I havent a clue whether or not the lab in limerick is up to scratch but is is catching these guys so it's not that bad... On the igb,they for sure dont get everything right but now is the time to support the gb on these drug issues,for some reason or another there seems to be an element of get a top solicitor/barrister and you can beat just about anything!!! Is that part of culture-not just in doggy game but typical of society in general on this wee island??
michael i no everyone is entitled to there opion but theres noway id support are rally behind this board they no whats going on with the drugs problem there laws and rules are all up the lefty there fines are a disgrace which i think should be stricter jmo
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 May 2016 14:37
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michael de ward wrote:
joe mc gorrey wrote:
theres two things i blame is one limerck lab not up to purpose and the clowns thats in igb board they are the biggest jokes ever to grace this world
I havent a clue whether or not the lab in limerick is up to scratch but is is catching these guys so it's not that bad... On the igb,they for sure dont get everything right but now is the time to support the gb on these drug issues,for some reason or another there seems to be an element of get a top solicitor/barrister and you can beat just about anything!!! Is that part of culture-not just in doggy game but typical of society in general on this wee island??
You are changing your mind like the weather, the lab in limerick or the board are catching no one the cheats have been set free to continue on their march, the IGB system is so flawed its unbelievable and they do not have the skills to straighten this out .
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 May 2016 16:09
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More pentobarbital positives for Feb/March .
What will the new Junior Minister Andrew Doyle make of this Drug game ? once he hears the truth from us.
Henning Olesen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 2 / Races 0 19 May 2016 16:42
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Hey Dave. This might be a stupid question but why are people using this drug, Pentobarbital?? I was told that it is used as masking agent for other drug given to the greyhound??? Just curious as I couldnt see any reason to give it to a greyhound???
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 May 2016 18:25
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Henning, By all accounts certain trainers are maintaining that pentobarbital is coming through the food chain [Knacker meat] which they are feeding to their dogs/Bitches, the IGB issued guidelines on feeding knacker meat [ABP] to racing greyhounds and stated that it could return positive samples if used and if caught could not be used as a defence, So to put it mildly the IGB guidelines are not worth the paper it is written on as certain trainers have been let off the hook for multiple positive samples of pentobarbital, now we see another trainer caught for pentobarbital, What does the suppliers of this meat have to say? time we found out, its a load of bull and I cant understand why the control committee have taken this view that it MUST be in the meat, IMO the IGB must reverse the Morphine threshold and procaine threshold and any other threshold they have in place and start operating a Zero Tolerance.
Henning Olesen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 2 / Races 0 19 May 2016 19:47
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Hey Dave. Ive been using all kinds of meat for 25 years and never been tested positive with my racing greyhounds. Well I might have been very lucky which I doubt very much??? Claim thats the meat is rubbish, thats just my opinion. Many thanks for taking time to reply on my question.
Dave Cunningham wrote:
Henning, By all accounts certain trainers are maintaining that pentobarbital is coming through the food chain [Knacker meat] which they are feeding to their dogs/Bitches, the IGB issued guidelines on feeding knacker meat [ABP] to racing greyhounds and stated that it could return positive samples if used and if caught could not be used as a defence, So to put it mildly the IGB guidelines are not worth the paper it is written on as certain trainers have been let off the hook for multiple positive samples of pentobarbital, now we see another trainer caught for pentobarbital, What does the suppliers of this meat have to say? time we found out, its a load of bull and I cant understand why the control committee have taken this view that it MUST be in the meat, IMO the IGB must reverse the Morphine threshold and procaine threshold and any other threshold they have in place and start operating a Zero Tolerance.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 May 2016 17:59
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EXTERNAL LINK No case to answer, what a farce, yet another person found with pentobarbital was fined, So in future when the IGB issue notices or guidelines pay no heed to them as they are worthless and mean nothing. The same old nonsense one rule for them and hit the small man, this needs to be sorted and it is going to be sorted one way or another the same rule applies to all or none IMO.
Henning Olesen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 2 / Races 0 20 May 2016 18:41
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I find it VERY STRANGE that one person is fined and another dont get fined for same drug found in their greyhound..Well that might just me:)
Dave Cunningham wrote:
EXTERNAL LINK No case to answer, what a farce, yet another person found with pentobarbital was fined, So in future when the IGB issue notices or guidelines pay no heed to them as they are worthless and mean nothing. The same old nonsense one rule for them and hit the small man, this needs to be sorted and it is going to be sorted one way or another the same rule applies to all or none IMO.
Declan Power Ireland (Verified User) Posts 342 Dogs 13 / Races 0 20 May 2016 22:20
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What a load of "DICKY".....The big name gets away SCOT FREE and others get fines...WOULD ONLY HAPPEN IN IRELAND......Suppose the new positive from the other Big Trainer caught in Shel pk,who has been caught before,will be let off also....Suppose he got another "BAD BATCH OF MEAT"...Tis a joke........
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