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Maurice Organ Ireland (Verified User) Posts 74 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Sep 2017 20:48
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Tudor don't quote me but I was told recently that Mr pat Herbert of the IGB said at a meeting between the IGB and eighteen invited guests that the new machine in limerick can tell if a sample is positive the following morning but due to the system in place it takes six weeks to process so the competition is over before anything can be done so it's our system that needs up dating.
Maurice, Why has it taken so long to publish the Adverse Finding??? Head of regulations and Head of Governance and Compliance must face the music on this latest findings. If neither of those pair cant see that our system stinks they should be moved on asap IMO.
The winner of one of Ireland's premier greyhound races has tested positive for the Class A drug cocaine, according to the Irish Greyhound Board.
Clonbrien Hero tested positive for the substance three times within a four week period, between 24 June and 22 July.
The Irish Greyhound Board confirmed the adverse finding on its website, confirming the dog tested positive for 'Benzoylecgonine', or as it is more commonly known, cocaine.
The Class A drug has a similar impact on dogs as it would on humans.
It is unclear whether the Independent Control Committee will meet before or after the Greyhound Derby - which is on 23 September at Shelbourne Park - and is the biggest date in the Irish racing calendar.
A spokesperson for the IGB declined to comment, saying they do not remark on individual cases.
In the past I have been accused of having a witch hunt against Graham Holland and being jealous of his success but yet again this man has brought the sport of greyhound racing into disrepute by being caught using an illegal substance. Just when will the authorities in Ireland and the UK grow a pair and give this man a lifetime ban from training greyhounds and better still warning him off from all tracks in both countries so that he cannot influence anyone else by offering "advice" either racing or trialing. I for one would never use a stud dog that had been trained by Holland as nobody knows how it would have achieved any fast times. Incidentally I was under the impression that the possession of cocaine was a criminal act so I trust the Guardia will be investigating just where and how he obtained the drug.
Ah sure he'll only get a slap on the wrist as usual. Should be put on the next boat and shipped back to England.wonder what his excuse is now???
I totally agree Dermot..he should be treated like a leper for his dispicable actions. What should happen to him if right is right is as follows: 1/ substantial fine in lieu of the dogs earnings 2/ permanent revoking of said public trainers licence and refusal of any future public / private trainers licences or Kennel Hand Licences. (same for wife and children seeing as he public harps on about family business / enterprise) 3/ revoking of Dog establishment licence by local authority 4/ revoking of Dog Breeders Licence by local authority 5/ revoking of Meat Feeders Licence by local authority 6/ Case referred to both An Garda Siochana and the ISPCA for thorough separate investigations. 7/ suspension of Dog in question 8/ ICC revoke / suspend Stud duty permits for all dogs standing with the offending trainer / handler
The credibility of this year's Derby has been now been ruined by a certain public trainers actions with serious question marks over this previous achievements.
Time for the IGB and ICC to now make a proper example...
John Spracklen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 504 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Sep 2017 08:59
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Clive Padwick wrote:
In the past I have been accused of having a witch hunt against Graham Holland and being jealous of his success but yet again this man has brought the sport of greyhound racing into disrepute by being caught using an illegal substance. Just when will the authorities in Ireland and the UK grow a pair and give this man a lifetime ban from training greyhounds and better still warning him off from all tracks in both countries so that he cannot influence anyone else by offering "advice" either racing or trialing. I for one would never use a stud dog that had been trained by Holland as nobody knows how it would have achieved any fast times. Incidentally I was under the impression that the possession of cocaine was a criminal act so I trust the Guardia will be investigating just where and how he obtained the drug.
Hi Clive, out of interest and as I have no experience of cocaine or any other drug for that matter, what would be the purpose of giving that substance to a racing greyhound, will it make them run faster? will it mask an injury? just asking. I'm always puzzled by trainers motives in using banned substances when they know 99% that they will be tested.
Mr Holland last night confirmed that he had been notified of the results and would go before a hearing of the IGBs control committee to adjudicate on his case.
We feel we are being victimised here for something we havent done, Mr Holland said. If you know you are going to be tested when you win a race, you are not going to administer cocaine to a greyhound. Ive been training greyhounds for over 30 years and now Im accused of doping them.
Mr Holland said that he would defend any proceedings against him. He said that he believed Clonbrien Hero may have ingested minute amounts of cocaine accidentally.
He said: You can pass traces of cocaine by handling money. When a dog wins a race, people are walking up to the dog and patting it on the head. If they have cocaine on their hands, they can pass that to the dog and it can come out in a urine sample.
The IGB last night said that it would not comment on any individual cases. Pat Casey, the IGB spokesman, said that decisions of its control committee may also be appealed.
Mr Holland came to public notice in December last year after Clares Rocket, a leading greyhound, went missing from his kennels in Co Tipperary before being later found by garda.
The IGB is under pressure to crack down on doping, which has brought greyhound racing into disrepute. Doping greyhounds with cocaine and amphetamines has become a significant problem in the past two years
Unbelievable the neck Holland has to try make himself out be a victim. And does he actually think people are that naive and stupid to Suggest the dog was 'accidentally' administered cocaine. The next thing he'll be saying is that the natural water or air in his locality was contaminated with cocaine. Either he was to stupid or arrogant to think that the lab didn't test for cocaine or his 'mask' didn't work in this case.
Lifetime ban should be handed out along with fine and criminal charges if possible
gerard costello wrote:
Mr Holland last night confirmed that he had been notified of the results and would go before a hearing of the IGBs control committee to adjudicate on his case.
We feel we are being victimised here for something we havent done, Mr Holland said. If you know you are going to be tested when you win a race, you are not going to administer cocaine to a greyhound. Ive been training greyhounds for over 30 years and now Im accused of doping them.
Mr Holland said that he would defend any proceedings against him. He said that he believed Clonbrien Hero may have ingested minute amounts of cocaine accidentally.
He said: You can pass traces of cocaine by handling money. When a dog wins a race, people are walking up to the dog and patting it on the head. If they have cocaine on their hands, they can pass that to the dog and it can come out in a urine sample.
The IGB last night said that it would not comment on any individual cases. Pat Casey, the IGB spokesman, said that decisions of its control committee may also be appealed.
Mr Holland came to public notice in December last year after Clares Rocket, a leading greyhound, went missing from his kennels in Co Tipperary before being later found by garda.
The IGB is under pressure to crack down on doping, which has brought greyhound racing into disrepute. Doping greyhounds with cocaine and amphetamines has become a significant problem in the past two years
Don't shoot the messenger this is the shit being shovelled. Mr Holland last night confirmed that he had been notified of the results and would go before a hearing of the IGBs control committee to adjudicate on his case.
We feel we are being victimised here for something we havent done, Mr Holland said. If you know you are going to be tested when you win a race, you are not going to administer cocaine to a greyhound. Ive been training greyhounds for over 30 years and now Im accused of doping them.
Mr Holland said that he would defend any proceedings against him. He said that he believed Clonbrien Hero may have ingested minute amounts of cocaine accidentally.
He said: You can pass traces of cocaine by handling money. When a dog wins a race, people are walking up to the dog and patting it on the head. If they have cocaine on their hands, they can pass that to the dog and it can come out in a urine sample.
The IGB last night said that it would not comment on any individual cases. Pat Casey, the IGB spokesman, said that decisions of its control committee may also be appealed.
Mr Holland came to public notice in December last year after Clares Rocket, a leading greyhound, went missing from his kennels in Co Tipperary before being later found by garda.
The IGB is under pressure to crack down on doping, which has brought greyhound racing into disrepute. Doping greyhounds with cocaine and amphetamines has become a significant problem in the past two years
In this article it states that Holland's legal team could head for the civil court armed with the Morris report. Whilst this may be true and Holland may have some success there l have always understood that all entries for racing are "subject to the racing manager's discretion" lf the RMs just don't accept his entry then he will be forced out of the sport and as far as I know they do not have to give any reason for refusing an entry. However I won't hold my breath.
Quote from Talking Dogs/CEO Now he moves into a greyhound industry which badly requires a new focus and leadership following the problems which has beset the greyhound world this year.
This line says it all. Badly requires a new focus AND LEADERSHIP.?????? Have they finally realized that our chairman is not fit for purpose and we need a new leader to take us forward????.
When this happens our drug issues will change for the better IMO.
The Control committee refused to grant a kennel hand licence to a young man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time in another Country, yet we have a so called top trainer whos dog was found with a positive drug test in the English Derby and was ousted out of that competition but yet in Ireland he remains free to run where and when he wishes, would it not be a fair assumption to ban this trainer from racing / withdraw his licence with immediate effect until his hearing has been dealt with, this would speed up the process and return a quicker result. Zero Tolerance across the board for everyone IMO.
Dave the young guy your refering to should not have been banned he was at the other side of the world working for one of the top trainers in the world and only doing what he was told how many mistakes have we all made when we yer young if this incident isn't treated more serious and his allow to continue racing I think it's a serious injustice to Chris.
This latest positive sample for Cocaine has piled serious pressure on the IGB and its leader and will cause untold damage to our already depleted industry, How much more will we have to put up with before someone steps up to the mark.
All test samples taken in big competitions should be frozen and stored...when testing for cocaine because of the life span of this drug in urine and blood it needs to be done in a certain time frame via urine sample or blood sample, how ever cocaine can be detected for much longer period of time via hair root samples so this in my opinion should also be done especially on a kennel visit cause let's be fair dogs are not been drugged at home in the kennel...
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