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Yes and you know what they say once a cheat always a cheat!!!
Tom Caffrey Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1488 Dogs 5 / Races 0 03 Feb 2014 22:21
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
Thanks Paul ,I am finished on this one.
I think we are speaking the same Dave, my point is Karin was guilty and admitted her guilt and the penalty was not OTT. Other topics since deleted were asking for stiffer penalties on the basis that its used as a masking agent but it is not in all cases.
Again to get back to the basics the publishing of results is only the start, the entire testing system needs a shake up, there are too many grey areas and all cases are not simply black and white. I think Samples should be kept for say 3 years. If Procaine is masking Cocaine to use your example, it is likely a test will come along to determine that, and these samples can be tested retrospectively.
We need proper regulation without the Salem Witch trials. A clear line needs to be drawn between the very small percentage of cheats and the person who makes a simple mistake like Karin or meat contamination if that is the case.
The IGB seems very unprofessional (or maybe understaffed) in this area IMO and seems to be afraid the minute solicitors are mentioned. Maybe they are hand tied by the legislation, but it needs at the very least be sorted going forward. We were promised a lot previously but all I have seen is reactive regulation rather than proactive regulation. If we can't act like BHA did in case of Mahmood Al Zarooni we are a joke pure and simple. Sadly I don't think we can and every 4 or 5 years we will have petitions unless Minister Hayes gets a grip of the issue once and for all.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 03 Feb 2014 22:52
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Tom Caffrey wrote:
Dave Cunningham wrote:
Thanks Paul ,I am finished on this one.
The IGB seems very unprofessional (or maybe understaffed) in this area IMO and seems to be afraid the minute solicitors are mentioned. Maybe they are hand tied by the legislation, but it needs at the very least be sorted going forward. We were promised a lot previously but all I have seen is reactive regulation rather than proactive regulation.
Tom it does appear indeed that the gb's hands are tied to a point for sure with the threat of legal action... When one reads of trainers getting massive settlements off the board and low and behold their name pops up on the list of positive tests it makes a mockery of just about everything and another kick in the b**** for the ordinary joe soap!!!!!!!!!!
Kieran Lennon Ireland (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 7 / Races 2 03 Feb 2014 23:14
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Karin Milling wrote:
John Murry - stop shouting LOL turn the Caps Lock off.
I didn't know the antibiotic contained Procaine !
Wouldn't have used it if I had known. Its not all LA antibiotics that contain Procaine.
She didn't admit guilt because she had nothing to be guilty about as she didn't administer the drug .. She like us all could be guilty of ignorance when it comes to knowing if it was still in the dogs system . That is not someone driving a dog for personal gain .. If it is she is not very good at it since the dog didn't finish in the prizemoney .
Wayne Osullivan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2414 Dogs 3 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 04:41
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For me a total success would be if the IGB made a statement saying from now on in ALL test results will be published as they come in on the IGB website, this as far as i am concerned should be the main goal of this petition.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 10:15
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This is the EMAIL sent to Michael Fortune .
There is growing support for a petition aimed at improving the integrity of greyhound racing. The petition was set up on Greyhound Forum to achieve full disclosure of swabs taken and their results. Integrity of the Product. Greyhound racing has to be the starting point if we are to have a saleable product and encourage participants that it is a level playing field and viable for them and their family's.
Minister for the greyhound Industry , Tom Hayes is showing on-going interest and it is hoped that a meeting between participants and Minister Hayes can be arranged , Hopefully we can all pull together to make this great sport what it should be.
After a phone conversation with Mr Fortune this morning , he asked me, Who I was , Who do I represent ,and that he has no interest in anything to do with the forum , and also he could not publish everything that comes into him, he even said that he would end this conversation now if it was regarding our petition on the forum, he came across to me as being very unhelpful , ignorant, and not one bit interested in what I had to say ,He forgets who pays his wages at the end of the day.
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 10:18
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17 names were published on last weeks Sporting Press ,do u think it would be fair to those people that the rest of the positive tests are not named at this stage.Once the rest of the names are published then the IGB would do themselves a lot of good if they made a statement stating all future tests will be published ,no exceptions.I have made this point before U run your dogs under IGB RULES so what legal ground have anyone, we know there is testing involved and if the rules are broken you are responsible ,by not publishing the offenders they have sent a message they can continue to break the rules and get away with it.That is what this Petition was set up to do, get the names of the offenders published and that will send out the message break the rules U will be named and punished .If the IGB had implemented there own rules properly from day one, we would not be having this discussion .
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 15:21
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john murray wrote:
17 names were published on last weeks Sporting Press ,do u think it would be fair to those people that the rest of the positive tests are not named at this stage.Once the rest of the names are published then the IGB would do themselves a lot of good if they made a statement stating all future tests will be published ,no exceptions.I have made this point before U run your dogs under IGB RULES so what legal ground have anyone, we know there is testing involved and if the rules are broken you are responsible ,by not publishing the offenders they have sent a message they can continue to break the rules and get away with it.That is what this Petition was set up to do, get the names of the offenders published and that will send out the message break the rules U will be named and punished .If the IGB had implemented there own rules properly from day one, we would not be having this discussion .
John , good post, If the IGB are on the same wave length as MICHAEL FORTUNE , they to will have nothing to do with our petition, such a shame as they could learn a few home truths about integrity.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 15:41
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Signatures to date 489 and counting with more names coming forward , when we set out we were looking at achieving a goal of 500 signatures ,we are nearly there ,Keep signing and we can move forward.
Tony Micks Ireland (Verified User) Posts 139 Dogs 2 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 17:43
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dave when have you last seen any thing siad about the small doggy mans dog on talking dogs we are not importent enough only the big boys and never anything bad about them
Hi Dave have emailed you a few more signatures. Keep up the good work , most people know what we are up against and are behind you all the way.Have been to lots of meetings with IGB , they sit there , promise sun , moon and stars but dont tell you that you will need your own ladder to get them.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 17:50
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Loraine Nash wrote:
Hi Dave have emailed you a few more signatures. Keep up the good work , most people know what we are up against and are behind you all the way.Have been to lots of meetings with IGB , they sit there , promise sun , moon and stars but dont tell you that you will need your own ladder to get them.
Hello Loraine,497 signatures now so I think we will go well over 500 mark , and thanks very much for your great help.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Feb 2014 17:56
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Loraine ,I have not received your email with names.
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