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New petition regarding positive samplespage  << 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 >> 

Pat Finn
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damien doyle wrote:

The dog in question was not down to run on night anyway according to the igb website future races so why did he turn up or did he??? Am I missing something think or is this turning into a witch hunt by some people???all we want is level playing feild and fair to all

Damian.

There is mo witch hunt.

Some people might like to put that spin on it




Dave Cunningham
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15 Feb 2014 12:36


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Last Call=== Last Call=== Last Call==Last Call

This is a Last call to all top trainers wishing to sign our petition,
By signing our petition you will help bring some transparency which is greatly needed at this moment and help us move forward .We look forward to your contribution .


John Murray
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Dave, I see Talking Dogs is Back on line .I note Mr Fortune is now tapping himself on the back stating ,TALKING DOGS WILL RESUME ITS NORMAL EXCELLENT SERVICE . He has no time for the FORUM OR OUR PETITION trying to clean up the sport as he treated U Dave with contempt ,the Man is totally out of touch with reality .But reality will hit him soon as this PETITION and those who signed it are not going to let this Drop ,NO TRAINER OR OWNER OR COLUMNIST IS BIGGER THAN OUR SPORT .


Dave Cunningham
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john murray wrote:

Dave, I see Talking Dogs is Back on line .I note Mr Fortune is now tapping himself on the back stating ,TALKING DOGS WILL RESUME ITS NORMAL EXCELLENT SERVICE . He has no time for the FORUM OR OUR PETITION trying to clean up the sport as he treated U Dave with contempt ,the Man is totally out of touch with reality .But reality will hit him soon as this PETITION and those who signed it are not going to let this Drop ,NO TRAINER OR OWNER OR COLUMNIST IS BIGGER THAN OUR SPORT .

The odd ONE thinks he is bigger than the rest of us ,but we will fight on and do our best to clean the sport up in any way we can ,
Still no signatures from the big trainers ,such a shame they don't come on board and help us put a stop to the constant cheating and rubbing of gums. AH WELL



Dave Cunningham
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Sunday 16th Feb,
I have just sent another email to Minister Hayes's office in connection with the un-published positive samples ,We wish to have a private meeting with him in his Cashel constituency office,either Tue ,Wed ,or Thursday this coming week, I will have with me, the full results of our petition to hand to him ,We need answers to the current positive samples and negative samples which have been available for publishing for a considerable length of time.
We look forward to his swift reply and a date for a meeting.




Sean Devine
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Good to see over 500 signatures, Use the procedures already in use in Oz and remove training licenses of those who have failed this test more than once.

Sean


Dave Cunningham
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sean devine wrote:

Good to see over 500 signatures, Use the procedures already in use in Oz and remove training licenses of those who have failed this test more than once.

Sean


There have been people sent over to Oz before to see how they run their Industry and try to gain some good knowledge on how to improve on the way things are run here , They should go back over on the next Flight , as they have learned nothing on previous visit.


Dave Cunningham
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Last Call

Our petition will close tonight at 9.00pm Sunday 16th Feb and will be prepared for Minister Hayes , Many thanks to all who got behind the petition with the aim to moving forward .


Charlie Deery
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Hope you have a good meeting with Minister Hayes


Loraine Nash
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17 Feb 2014 08:29


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Good luck



Paul Quilty
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Horse trainer Philip Fenton faces a court appearance charged with possession of banned substances. A hearing is scheduled for Carrick in Tipperary on Thursday. Dept of agriculture is bringing the case against him for possession of animal remedies. If convicted could face fine up to 5000 and jail time. Igb hands out 100 Euro fines and protects the elite that is above the law


John Murray
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18 Feb 2014 14:55


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Paul ,How sad are the people who have to resort to cheating in sport .It's win at all cost ,the image of our sport is at an all time low because of these arrogant self important glory hunters and those who cover for them are every bit as guilty and should be dealt with accordingly also.


Dave Cunningham
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Dear Mr. Cunningham,

I refer to our previous correspondence, in relation to the greyhound industry.

Bord na gCon is a commercial state body established under the Greyhound Industry Act, 1958, chiefly to control greyhound racing and to improve and develop the greyhound industry. The regulation of greyhound racing is a function assigned to Bord na gCon under legislation.

The Board of Bord na gCon is responsible for leading and directing the activities of the Company and for any decisions made. As the issue you raise is an operational matter for Bord na gCon, it would be inappropriate for the Minister to meet with you.

Yours sincerely

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Paul McNally

Private Secretary to the

Minister of State for the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine



Geoff Bateman
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So that's that then-You can all feck off cos I got bigger fish to fry.A typical political reply kick the can further down the road


Gerard Costello
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18 Feb 2014 17:26


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Go to the papers with the petition
Make it a national topic that has to be dealt with politically and with transparency
Make sure to give them the ministers response
If it hurts the industry image in the short term so be it.
It's in terminal decline and letting cheats go unpunished and in extent rewarding them will finish it for a lot of people.


Michael de Ward
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Dave Cunningham wrote:

Dear Mr. Cunningham,

I refer to our previous correspondence, in relation to the greyhound industry.

Bord na gCon is a commercial state body established under the Greyhound Industry Act, 1958, chiefly to control greyhound racing and to improve and develop the greyhound industry. The regulation of greyhound racing is a function assigned to Bord na gCon under legislation.

The Board of Bord na gCon is responsible for leading and directing the activities of the Company and for any decisions made. As the issue you raise is an operational matter for Bord na gCon, it would be inappropriate for the Minister to meet with you.

Yours sincerely

____________________

Paul McNally

Private Secretary to the

Minister of State for the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine

no big surprise really dave when you look at track record of politions on this wee island....
have you also presented it to gb??


David McGrath
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18 Feb 2014 18:16


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Dave

Do not lose heart.

The only thing that the IGB respond to is Legal Action.

This has been demonstrated in the many cases that they have lost over the years.

Although all the information on the positive tests in each of the suspected races is available to any owner who had a dog in one of the affected races, under the Freedom of Information Act, it may be better simply to hand over the case to one's own solicitor.

There are two issues running in parallel here.

Firstly, all dogs who have tested for a banned substance, regardless of the level in terms of procaine, prior to 23 December 2013 will be disqualified and the prize money and race Title handed over to the next placed dog in the race that has not failed the test.

The Board have already applied this principle in the 4 Procaine cases that were reported in the Sporting Press 3 weeks ago.

In fact, they not only disqualified the 4 greyhounds in question and allocated the prize money to the next dog to finish, they also appear to have allocated the fines in relation to the level of procaine in the dogs system, ie whether it was under over over the threshold.

It is difficult to understand what is taking so long to carry out this simple part of the exercise and it should be implemented immediately for the remaining cases.

The second issue is probably more difficult for the Board and its Control Committee, that is, what they should do with the multiple offenders.

The Board appear to be taking its' own legal advice in this matter and are understandably twitchy about this, as they have a poor track record of defending such cases.

Looking at this in two stages makes it much more clear as to how the Board can take action.

Point 1 Disqualify any dogs that have failed the tests.

Instate those clean runners up as the rightful winner.

Point 2 Deal with the penalties for those who have been found to be positive.

The only question is when the Board will actually do this, not if.

If the Board considers that they cannot uphold their own testing procedures in a Court of Law, and face down those trainers whose dogs have been found to be positive, and who are contesting the judgement, then the Board will end up paying out two lots of Prize money as a minimum and the allocation of the Race title will be for another day.

We are still in the very early stages of the Process, but the Minister has now managed to offend and anger the more than 500 greyhound people who took the time and trouble to complete the petition.

It would be far better for the image of the Sport and Industry if the Board would simply come, out as the Turf Club did yesterday, in the pending horse racing case, admit that the positives are there and that due process is taking place in a transparent manner.

Surely with all the Ministerial Advisors, there is some Public Relations Guru with a finger on the pulse of the industry.

Joe Duffy would have a field day and Minister Hayes will find himself taking over from Minister Shatter on the Front Pages.

It is time for the Board to stand up and do the decent thing and be counted.


Dave Cunningham
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Hello David ,Once again very well put , and I am very disappointed with Minister Hayes reply, He knew all about our petition weeks ago and was told back then that once the petition was done we would be handing a full copy to him ,and he was ok about this, but now he passing the bucket to someone else.


Dave Cunningham
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18 Feb 2014 20:01


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gerard costello wrote:

Go to the papers with the petition
Make it a national topic that has to be dealt with politically and with transparency
Make sure to give them the ministers response
If it hurts the industry image in the short term so be it.
It's in terminal decline and letting cheats go unpunished and in extent rewarding them will finish it for a lot of people.

Hi Gerard, I have been in touch with Connor Ryan, from the Irish Examiner ,but he needs Facts not here say before he will publish .


Pat Finn
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18 Feb 2014 20:04


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Dave Cunningham wrote:

Hello David ,Once again very well put , and I am very disappointed with Minister Hayes reply, He knew all about our petition weeks ago and was told back then that once the petition was done we would be handing a full copy to him ,and he was ok about this, but now he passing the bucket to someone else.

Dave.

This was never going to be easy.

You need to regroup and come up with the next stage in the plan to rid our industry of drug cheats



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