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Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 17:08
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paul quilty wrote:
Hi Dave How are we doing on signatures at moment????
Hello Paul, I am having some problems loading the rest of the names but I should have it sorted mid week and we will be up around 400 signatures , I thought our Aussie pals would have helped us out with their signatures but I am sure they wont let us down , we need around 100 more signatures and we are laughing ,500 is the target so please sign and post your comments , thanks.
Perhaps a sheet on the wall at each track office would garner signatures. A lot of people don't like putting their e-mail addresses onto something, and a lot of people don't have e-mail addresses anyway. I'd say that sponsorships of stakes and track supporters club memberships will increasingly be adversely affected unless IGB sorts this issue out once and for all.
Can't people collect signatures at their local track and send them to you.If every track got 100 signatures over this week it should not be hard 6 dogs per race, minimum 10 races per night , but there are a lot of sideline hurlers out there who shout and roar from the keyboard but when it comes to getting of their ass and putting their money where their mouths are they don't want to know.Keep up the good work Dave
Tom Foley Ireland (Verified User) Posts 56 Dogs 5 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 18:20
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If a trainer goes before the board for a positive sample and the board throws it out for some made up reason, will this be published, or will it be just the ones the board wants to prove positive, we all know the can be selective as to whom the prosecute.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 18:29
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Hello Loraine ,I will have all the names up by mid week, I have had small trouble with pc ,but nearly sorted, and yes you are right when it comes to doing some thing positive, people just sit back and more than often moan about it,Do people really know how important this petition is to the greyhound people of Ireland, By signing our petition you are letting the greyhound board know that we have had enough of the constant cheating from not just big trainers but smaller trainers to , and we are not taking it anymore, since the petition has been running on Forum and emails sent to Ministers ,we have caused a big stir ,so much so that action has been taken , and is in full swing, We will not let this go until we get those names published ,and are happy with what we see . PLEASE KEEP SIGNING AND POSTING YOUR COMMENTS THANKS.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 18:39
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tom foley wrote:
If a trainer goes before the board for a positive sample and the board throws it out for some made up reason, will this be published, or will it be just the ones the board wants to prove positive, we all know the can be selective as to whom the prosecute.
Tom ,If this was to happen now, the board would be leaving them self's wide open for a major uproar ,I do not think this will be the case this time round.
Paul Quilty Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1224 Dogs 48 / Races 67 27 Jan 2014 18:45
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gerard costello wrote:
"And we wonder why we have no Irish stud dogs like Top Honcho or Brett Lee."Why do we make it so difficult for ourselves?Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency with test results?We are the only country that has this secrecy. It wouldn't be permitted anywhere else.All we are doing is taking educated guesses here. Everyone afraid to state names in case of litigation.Is all this lack of transparency helping our game? Would we prefer to hide all our deep secrets so as to prevent the good name of our sport being tarnished?
Quote from Brendan Curran Exactly Brendan hasn't been a successful Irish stud dog since spiral nikita and larkhil joe because lads wont use some Studs because of there trainers right or wrong, proffering any old aussie stud or us stud cause there racing is precieved as cleaner in the end its killing the game here And before lads point out head bound check out his racing or lack of career
And the Fact that Sean Dunphy owned Head Bound....a gentleman and real doggie man who would not have put an Aspirin in a Dog...never did or would
It is truly remarkable that greyhound owners have to get a grassroots petition going to try to get the Turf Club of Greyhound Racing (i.e. the IGB) to implement some semblance of fair play. It is an appalling state of play and one would have to question the effectiveness and usefulness of greyhound racing's current governing body. Who, if anybody, is actually steering the ship? There should be a zero tolerance approach with regard to performance enhancing (or performance reducing) drugs i.e. one misdemeanour and you're gone. And why not do an experiment: for six months feed some retired greyhounds with 'knacker meat' on an ongoing basis and do regular tests on them. If any of them test positive for Procaine then ok, its back to the drawing board but if they don't then people claiming this avenue as a defence having failed tests don't have a leg to stand on and should be shown the red card.
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 19:38
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THE PRESENT BOARD ARE NOT COMPETENT SIMPLE AS THAT.THEY ARE NOT PROPER GREYHOUND PEOPLE, THIS SITUATION WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THEY WERE DOING THERE JOBS PROPERLY.THERE ACTIONS MAKE THEM AS GUILTY AS THOSE WHO HAVE BROKEN THE RULES.I HAVE VERY LITTLE FAITH IN POLITICIANS ,BUT IF MINISTER HAYES WENT TO THE TROUBLE TO RING U DAVE WE CAN ONLY HOPE HE IS TRUE TO HIS WORD IN MID FEBRUARY,WE CAN ONLY JUDGE HIM THEN.Maybe the Minister would look at putting an independent body in charge of publishing the drug testing results that might solve the problem.
What will happen is that people will get weary and just tune out... People generally over time tend to distance themselves from something that they consider to be 'a fiddle'. That is the saddest part of it. I feel most sorry for good breeders / rearers who paid top money for services to sires that were clearly not actually as fast as their performances might have suggested they were. A lack of a strong regulatory body undermines greyhound racing and breeding in general. And those who did/do the cheating carry most of the responsibility but that probably weighs very lightly on their shoulders; electronic transfers of hefty lumps of prizemoney into one's bank account is akin to procaine for one's conscience.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Jan 2014 22:08
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eamonn byrne wrote:
It is truly remarkable that greyhound owners have to get a grassroots petition going to try to get the Turf Club of Greyhound Racing (i.e. the IGB) to implement some semblance of fair play. It is an appalling state of play and one would have to question the effectiveness and usefulness of greyhound racing's current governing body. Who, if anybody, is actually steering the ship? There should be a zero tolerance approach with regard to performance enhancing (or performance reducing) drugs i.e. one misdemeanour and you're gone. And why not do an experiment: for six months feed some retired greyhounds with 'knacker meat' on an ongoing basis and do regular tests on them. If any of them test positive for Procaine then ok, its back to the drawing board but if they don't then people claiming this avenue as a defence having failed tests don't have a leg to stand on and should be shown the red card.
Eamonn ,give it another month and then ask who is steering the ship, we will all no then ,things are on a very slippery slope at Hq, between members handing in notice and very strongly written letters been passed around things are not good , The ship has been steering its self for a long time now and going around in circles , we now need someone new at the wheel to steer us clear of total disaster.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 08:30
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Hello to all , If you use this forum and have not yet signed our petition --------------NEW Petition Regarding Positive Samples please help us to rid our sport of the constant cheating by certain trainers ,we need your signatures to help our cause thank you .
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 09:34
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The lack of so called big names on this petition says it all .Maybe they think this will all go away as before ,but not this time ,383 now signed and climbing,People have had enough of the cheating.
Pat Finn Ireland (Verified User) Posts 278 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 12:15
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john murray wrote:
The lack of so called big names on this petition says it all .Maybe they think this will all go away as before ,but not this time ,383 now signed and climbing,People have had enough of the cheating.
John,
Do turkeys vote for Christmas!!
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 14:08
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Well Pat, if the owners of these dogs/bitches are ok with what is going on, then my suggestion of banning all racers in the kennel found guilty for three to six months is the way to stamp them all out AND SEND A MESSAGE . HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS. Big pain for them, more Gain FOR THE owners running there charges straight.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 18:13
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john murray wrote:
The lack of so called big names on this petition says it all .Maybe they think this will all go away as before ,but not this time ,383 now signed and climbing,People have had enough of the cheating.
The big names do not have the time to be messing on a computer like us ,they are very busy men , in their kennels from morning to mid night ,but I am sure they wont let us down, what do you think?????.
Philip Fennelly Ireland (Verified User) Posts 224 Dogs 16 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 20:23
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The only gobshites that would be in a kennell at midnight is us breeders and if they were any drugs to be found its not the bitch that would be gething them.Its the breeders that hold the future of the greyhound industry in their hands{in more ways then one}.Every day they are good bitches comng in season and the owners dont bother mating her and i would say that for every bitch not mated they are 5 positive drug cases swept under the carpet so to the men in power get rid of the brush and give the carpet to us breeders!!
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Jan 2014 21:42
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Philip its your own choice to breed greyhounds, and to be stuck in the kennel at midnight is all part of breeding and the excitement of it. I am sure when you advertise your pups for sale for good money ,and you get them sold ,there's no word of being in the kennel at mid night , Stick with it Philip and hope that we get what we rightly deserve a good outcome from our petition ,only then will things change for the better .
John Murray Ireland (Verified User) Posts 473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Jan 2014 11:26
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Dave ,I feel Philip is ONLY VENTING the Frustration and disillusionment by breeders and owners who are doing things by the book.It's our choice if we want to get out of bed in the morning also but that kind of attitude does not sit well with people who are getting more disillusioned by the day, i'm a little disappointed U would make that remark. AS far as getting the right result ,why is it taking so long , ASK YOURSELF will there be another excuse in the middle of Feb???.
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