100% Andrew, it's dependent on the bitches

Take Brueghelino's dam Easy Baby's half brother Hogmania CLICK HERE who ran 2nd in the G1 Galaxy over 700m. As you can see he was by Miagi. Now look at the close relationship between Banjo's sire's dam Blue Girl Vane and Miagi CLICK HERE .........94% of BGV's pedigree within 5 generations is contained in Miagi's pedigree, so BGV's just recreating that Miagi niche with the same dam line that produced Hogmania.........you've just got to get some distance types in that litter, a la Brueghelino.

Breeding common sense really, isn't it ?.

Very much underrated stud dog. He gets his fair share of winners.

Looking at Banjo Boys Pedigree it amazes me Ryan that he does not produce more staying types ! Off Springer won over the distance and was certainly bred to stay with Flying Penske and Waroo Lass both known for throwing strength on either side of her pedigree !

What you've stated re Off Springer, Penske and Waroo Lass is actually disproving some breeders belief's, not that Banjo can't throw staying types.

The niche theory dictates much depends on the "quality" the bitches line throws not who the bitch is or what it did on the track. Banjo comes into play thru the damlines attached to his sirelines(which may/maynot include Off Springer and her pedigree), and the high % intensity those dams in Banjo's sireline create with the sires who have previously thrown success in the relevant broodie's line.

IOW you are linebreeding a sire thru different individuals at a very high percentage(min 88% imo), that has been previously successful with your broodies damline, to a damline with the sire of your choice. To me that's what the term 'breeding is all about damlines' means.

If none of your chosen sires damlines create a niche equal to or higher than 88% with a sire that has been previously successful with your broodies lines (preferably within 5 gens btw), you may want to think about choosing another sire for your broodie.

As well as Brueghelino explained above also:

Look at Kantarn Bale's sire and Bartrim Bale's grandsire's Brett lee's dam CLICK HERE .......thats an extremely high 94% niche within 5 gens thru different individuals with Light of fire AND a v/high 88% niche with Sobbing Sal. Kantarn/Bartrim are from the same damline.

Look at Edie Beauchamp's sire and Punch One Out's sires dam CLICK HERE thats a v/high 88% niche within 5 gens thru different individuals. Edie/Punch from the same damline.

Also there was this the other day which is from the same niche theory:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

That's really interesting Sandro. When I looked at Poco Dorado's pedigree you put up, I see Buddy Rich CLICK HERE is from this line. Now if people want to look at the relationship between Buddy Rich's sire Hotshow Sam and Fernando's dam Chloe Allen CLICK HERE Chloe carries a niche that covers approx 88% of Sam's pedigree within 5 generations, and if you want to take it just a step further Awesome Assassin in Chloe's pedigree carries a niche that covers approx 88% of Highly Blessed in Sam's pedigree CLICK HERE (2 doses of Second Stage is included in the 7th generation of Awesome Assassin's pedigree and one dose of Second Stage in the 3rd generation of Highly Blessed), if you look at the table below the pedigree. So in summary and getting back to Buddy Rich's sire Hotshow Sam, Fernando's dam Chloe Allen carries a niche that covers approx 97% of Sam's pedigree within 7 generations which is extremely high. It's becoming increasingly apparent that this type of intensity is evident in quite a few superior racers. Unfortunately this replicating of sires thru different individuals that have been previously successful with a broodies damline, appears to be happening more by 'genetic chance' than calculated planning.

to which your response was this

Mark Staines wrote:

Buddy Rich 11 x Temlee within 6 generations, a line breeders fantasy come true !

Fair enuf as this is basic linebreeding, but to have a chance to create some real intensity within a ped you need to recreate a sire that's been previously successful in your broodies damline thru different individuals. The evidence is there with numerous examples, and imo the logic is there to go with it.

Getting back to Banjo if you want Off Springer to exert her influence from a niche perspective, your broodie wld need the sire that throws a highly successful pup in her line to have a min of 88% of his pedigree within 5 gens to be included in Offspringers pedigree. That just may not be possible at this time, but that hasn't stopped Banjo throwing successful types at this time thru other dams connected to his sirleine.

The way I look at it from a niche perspective Banjos most successful offspring when i last checked (a yr or so ago) was connected thru Blue Girl Vane and Centrefire but you wld be incorrect in assuming that he cant throw quality distance types as he's proved he can with Brueghelino. To have a chance to do that he just needs the right bitch who's line has thrown a distance type where one of Banjo's dam's nick with that particular staying pups sire at a very high percentage.

Has been a quiet time for new pups coming through due to only having 27 litters across aust and Nz in 2016. But there are some nice ones in that lot and cant wait to see blur go round again.

With 120 litters coming from the start of 2017 and some far better performed bitches and proven dams theres a lot to look forward to judging on reports.

There are some really well credentialed stayers and 500m plus bitches in that bunch with good reports on pups so will be interesting to see as the vast majority of his first season bitches were short course types.

Good luck to all.

Thanks to my trainer Susan Harris for doing such an excellent job having Diamond firing on all cyclinders. Yet to be unplaced in 8 starts at the straight track, she also loves the circle and was narrowly beaten in 2nd place at Ipswich over 520m after leading all the way.

Diamond Winx (Banjo Boy x Will Cee)

Incidentally, Diamond's great grandmother, Tasha (aka Venus Express) has just turned 15 years old on Monday 13th August, and has a big following on Facebook with over 550 likes for her photos in one day lol Tasha has been with me since the day she was born, so is my inseparable companion. She has outlived vets' prognosis of 6-12 months survival in January 2015 when she was diagnosed with mast cell cancer, and then again surviving a major surgery last October to remove a massive malignant tumor from between her hind toes.

Diamond's win from box 7 on Saturday

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that's some good nos. hopefully be some fast ones that get a trip there.

Andrew, did you end up mating him to a Kinloch Brae bitch earlier this year?

I have just bought 4 more kinlochs out of the dam of wicked warrior a with the intent of doing it down the track.

Hasnt been done much but it has certainly worked well. I will have a look Ross.

Well done. I expect to see a few more quick maidens in the next few months.

That's good to see Mick as I just had Tam's Wish mated Sunday... CLICK HERE

Just a quick one. I have had two phone calls the last couple of days asking if I would guarantee straws sold by third parties with a replacement.

I have always tried to be fair and I know people on sell straws but when they do I can't cover them and to be honest it does surprise me that I am even asked to.

When you purchase through Sires On Ice at his normal price there and use the straw within 12 months the guarantee is:

2 or less pups replacement vial/money back.
Straw will be at the nominated vet.

Thanks all hope you are all having plenty of luck with racers.

Best

Andrew

(hope all is well mate)

Rich..