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Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 14 Sep 2014 12:19
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His Early form was absolutely Breath Taking 30.08 over the 535 at richmond and 29.32 at Wentworth Park which were only bettered by the phenomenal bitch Punch One out at the Time.
I noticed He has served 8 bitches to date consisting of 1 group winner in Peggy May and 4 City class Brood Bitches and one brood bitch thats proven.
This shows Breeders are showing faith with Quality Stock.
Good luck to Connections in his stud career.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 14 Sep 2014 12:27
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A question I have with this stud dog is his first section 5.36 at wenty showed he has early pace?
Would I be right in saying that he would also have to be strong to run 30.08 at Richmond?
His litter has multiple talented pups in it which show genetic ability across the board.
I wonder what his temperament was like as a race dog in racing terms and in kennels.
Does he tick all of the boxes or are their some negative things that people dislike or worry about.
Ray Morcomb Australia (Verified User) Posts 1331 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Sep 2014 13:15
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I think he was a pretty awesome dog
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 14 Sep 2014 19:24
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only negative perhaps he lacked box speed and he may well throw that on but bit chilli lacked it but his progeny seem to ping the lids as a rule,he was about a faster dog as ever in Australia so hopefully he will be used and as a son of collision you would expect at some stage to be in quite a demand.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 14 Sep 2014 21:41
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right again Glenn.He still should not be forgotten on the stud scene.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 15 Sep 2014 00:46
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James I think you got confused as his dams sire is collision and his sire as Glenn pointed out is where's Pedro. I recall back to where he first hit the scene that so many people couldn't speak highly enough of him and rightly so. If anything I think his disruption in being moved to Melbourne and the fact he got injured after this and when he didn't really recover from that his hype was deflated somewhat and for most sires when you see others going to them In droves a lot of people follow.
James I looked at his early pace (first section) and he was quicker than Oaks road & cosmic rumble and very close to black Magic opal & magic sprite on similar tracks. From what I could see he was stronger as well based on times and if people used these sires to the degree they have (excluding BMO), I am sure that if Zulu Zeus gets a start he could be invaluable across the board.
I may have to give this freshman a go I think.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Sep 2014 02:19
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box speed is first three strides and they aren't recorded.But once in full flight there was none quicker.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 15 Sep 2014 03:00
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james saunders wrote:
box speed is first three strides and they aren't recorded.But once in full flight there was none quicker.
that's the thing james he was strong as well and are breeders holding of for a specific reason (to my knowledge he wasn't a fighter or non chaser) or are they influenced by flavour of the month more often than the best possible dogs at stud?
I have gone through most of them over and over and for the life of me I cant figure out why he has not been used more extensively? is it the fact he is inbred to brett lee etc?
of the current crop Magic Sprite, Cosmic rumble, spring gun, Oaks Road, Fabregas, bekim bale, Barcia bale, swift fancy have pretty much shown what they have to offer with only cosmic rumble, magic sprite and bekim bale having the numbers to be conclusive.
out of those three magic sprite is the most consistent sire for winners per pup born, followed by cosmic rumble and then bekim bale. now the up and comer's spring gun, Oaks Road, Fabregas, Barcia bale, swift fancy all have thrown with promise and its yet to be seen what they can produce over the next 18 months to 2 years.
of the freshman sires still yet to prove themselves I have listed below:
black magic Opal Zulu Zues Don't Knocka Him Bnajo Boy Glenn gallon Buck Fever Shakey Jakey
will they all get enough bitches for people to see what they may or may not be able to produce and if you look at the current stud dogs there is no one dog that is a clear standout worthy of taking over from where's Pedro, Collision or Brett lee, yet? IMHO.
and like all sires that are in the process of proving themselves its a waiting game obviously but out of everything at stud I think that Zulu Zeus was faster and stronger than the majority of them? so hence begs the question why he has only served 11 bitches when going to stud in march?
Lee Caruana Australia (Verified User) Posts 155 Dogs 4 / Races 0 15 Sep 2014 04:03
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Could it be that his mating with many bitches results in three close generation crosses of Brett Lee.
Scott Austen Australia (Verified User) Posts 282 Dogs 40 / Races 4 15 Sep 2014 04:15
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
james saunders wrote:
box speed is first three strides and they aren't recorded.But once in full flight there was none quicker.
that's the thing james he was strong as well and are breeders holding of for a specific reason (to my knowledge he wasn't a fighter or non chaser) or are they influenced by flavour of the month more often than the best possible dogs at stud?
I have gone through most of them over and over and for the life of me I cant figure out why he has not been used more extensively? is it the fact he is inbred to brett lee etc?
of the current crop Magic Sprite, Cosmic rumble, spring gun, Oaks Road, Fabregas, bekim bale, Barcia bale, swift fancy have pretty much shown what they have to offer with only cosmic rumble, magic sprite and bekim bale having the numbers to be conclusive.
out of those three magic sprite is the most consistent sire for winners per pup born, followed by cosmic rumble and then bekim bale. now the up and comer's spring gun, Oaks Road, Fabregas, Barcia bale, swift fancy all have thrown with promise and its yet to be seen what they can produce over the next 18 months to 2 years.
of the freshman sires still yet to prove themselves I have listed below:
black magic Opal Zulu Zues Don't Knocka Him Bnajo Boy Glenn gallon Buck Fever Shakey Jakey
will they all get enough bitches for people to see what they may or may not be able to produce and if you look at the current stud dogs there is no one dog that is a clear standout worthy of taking over from where's Pedro, Collision or Brett lee, yet? IMHO.
and like all sires that are in the process of proving themselves its a waiting game obviously but out of everything at stud I think that Zulu Zeus was faster and stronger than the majority of them? so hence begs the question why he has only served 11 bitches when going to stud in march?
I probably should't be commenting on this as people may think I'm bagging ZZ as i have a WP son at stud in Cape Hawke BUT reading his form Sean he was a very very fast dog which is a positive BUT once he met better company did it sort him out? 3rd to Veyron Bale and 6th to Quiz Bale then once in Melb comfortably beaten again (injuries obviously didn't help) but is that the reason people haven't flocked to him i'm not sure I'm guessing he will get the numbers eventually if he stays here..
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Sep 2014 06:01
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No offence scott because you have done a great job giving your dog every opportunity but this dog was faster than cape hawke after breaking his hock.His times at 22 mnths old were unrivalled.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 15 Sep 2014 06:12
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Scott it's an interesting point of view but in summation of your example against better dogs he was found out. Cape hawk in my opinion while a very quick dog failed against the upper echelon of greyhounds and was well beaten in the temlee, silver chef, shoot out, warnambool classcic, adelaide cup and he has served 89 bitches.
So even the good ones have bad races but usually over time they come out on top, Zulu Zeus beat zipping willow he only won 9 straight in town recently. I think your comment is way off the mark also as to being found out etc. publicly noted injury can excuse failures.
I think it's his double brett Lee like and collision is something as Lee had noted. But for out crossed or bombastic bitches or the likes he is probably better suited.
Time will tell but gee I'm tempted to use him.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 15 Sep 2014 06:26
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his runs at bulli especially the bulli gold cup final were freakish especially as he was only a pup.
Brad Napper Australia (Verified User) Posts 937 Dogs 1 / Races 2 04 Oct 2014 10:52
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Any dog on a foreign track tends to take a bit to find its feet. Look at Campaspe Will completely ballsed the start at APK and he is probably one of the best starters in Vic currently. I think Zulu Zeus will add strength. Wheres Pedro seems to be adding strength recently and i can see ZZ as a very good match for bitches from the Alice Dooley line, that haven't got Pedro in the pedigree already.
Looking forward to seeing what he throws
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 04 Oct 2014 16:40
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Lee Caruana wrote:
Could it be that his mating with many bitches results in three close generation crosses of Brett Lee.
Problem...???
Scott Austen Australia (Verified User) Posts 282 Dogs 40 / Races 4 04 Oct 2014 20:24
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james saunders wrote:
No offence scott because you have done a great job giving your dog every opportunity but this dog was faster than cape hawke after breaking his hock.His times at 22 mnths old were unrivalled.
No offence taken james but how do you declare him a faster dog if they never raced at the same track or same distance? One dog broke 2 track records one dog never broke one?
Sean take nothing away from Zipping Willow as it has been flying of late but its only my OPINION yours and Jame's could differ but i do believe Melbourne racing is the bench mark and one dog consistently raced top grade upper echelon dogs and the other fella didn't i wasn't taken away how fast ZZ was, absolute rocket on the clock here and there and i hope he serve's 100 bitch's i was just trying to point out thats may be a reason breeders haven't flocked to him its only early days he's still got time to take off yet..So I don't feel way off the mark at all just my opinion and or view on it unfortunately its a different outlook to yours..
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Oct 2014 20:40
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Maybe people are being cautious because they think his Sireline and Damsire line may not carry their lines forward into the future
Scott Austen Australia (Verified User) Posts 282 Dogs 40 / Races 4 04 Oct 2014 23:04
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John McAlister wrote:
Maybe people are being cautious because they think his Sireline and Damsire line may not carry their lines forward into the future
Good point John but I do think he will take off now the warmer weather is here and bitch's are coming on being a son of WP he should get his fair share of girls as his old man is priced too high for the average breeder..
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1439 Dogs 24 / Races 126 31 Oct 2014 07:57
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I picked one of these up for $770 today, just mentioned him out of the blue and asked how much
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
