I'd argue the thought that Molotov was more of a brood producing sire. That's just what's fresher in our mind so he's labeled as a dam sire. I think his production as a sire was greater than the production of his daughters. He had All American's, track record breakers and all that kind of thing. It's a poor stat for several reasons (not complete data, different stakes offerings through the years, etc) so I hate to use it but if you look at points per runner here on greyhound data his daughter offspring have 0.92 points per offspring, while Molotov's sons and daughters had 1.64, or nearly 80% more points for stakes and time based achievements than his daughters had. He ranks so high as a dam sire in part because his daughters did produces very well, but also in large part due to volume because so many of his daughters were bred based on their performance (or Molotov's performance as a producer). Over here Kiowa Sweet Trey is known as a good dam sire but I've never once bred to him or bred his daughters because I personally believe volume plays a role and think I can do better. Kiowa Sweet Trey produced many All Americans, but with less than a 1 in 1000 chance at one I tend to consider other things more strongly.

SH Avatar didn't have elite speed out of the box, but more than made up for it early in the races over here. I'd guess in Ireland even our earlier pace dogs would likely be known for producing stamina. What US studs produce over there hasn't ever been something I've followed though, because for the most part when a US stud has been available elsewhere it usually isn't one suited for the US so I lack the interest in following their production. There are exceptions of course (Flying Penske was one and I suppose Kiowa Sweet Trey was one, even though I didn't care for him) and other countries are now starting to get more of our better studs, like KC And All, Djays Octane, Kiowa Mon Manny, etc. Sometimes it's not lack of talent but just lack of a pedigree we can use that sends sires elsewhere. SH Avatar will be used over here but I think that's the case with him and also Superior Product.

My opinion on Superior Product at stud is the same as any other unproven stud, and that is that it's wiser to judge them based on production instead of hopes and guesses. Superior Product is from my absolute favorite dam line, going back to dogs like Millie's May and Racing May. Here in the USA, only the Tish The Dish dam line produced more All-Americans, but I think at least part of that that bloodline was at one time primarily raised at Greymeadows here in the US, by the Butler's. They knew what they were doing and had the finest farm in the US. Indecently, they latest occupant on that farm, Jay Rangel also is a great trainer and now that he's moved on to breeding has the highest auction sales in the USA with pups from the same facility. This Millie's May and Racing May dam line is second in All American production despite being an import line here basically tracing back to only Yurituni, Just Lilly who was a descendent of Yurituni who was also imported, and finally Maythorn Pride. If taking into account All American dogs from a dam line and the sires coming from a dam line then it would be tops in the production of our All Americans. Superior Product ran in Iowa just like SH Avatar, but at Dubuque rather than Bluffs Run. The earnings are about double at Bluffs Run but the biggest difference is running style needed. Dubuque takes a stronger dog. Bluffs Run varied from super fast times to slower times but Dubuque had a deep track requiring lots of strength when Superior Product was there. He was a fantastic dog, and I think Avatar had the power to dominate Dubuque and Superior Product had better box speed than Avatar so likewise I think Superior Product would have still excelled at Bluffs Run. Oswald Cobblepot was a great stud over here from the same dam line, and right now as far as dam lines go I would say the Alive N Well branch of the dam line is at a minimum one of the hottest in the USA. I could tell you a bunch of names but I'm not sure it'd mean much to you. It's not something I worry about but some of the dogs from the line are extremely alert, maybe on edge you might say. Nothing like spooky fear biting, but more like extreme adrenaline that led to their running so darned fast. I could discuss it further but stud owners don't take to kindly to the discussion even if it isn't something that keeps us from breeding to them, and is at most something to keep in mind. If you wanted me to go into that more, it'd be better to e-mail me at [email protected] , but it darn sure doesn't stop me from breeding the dam line. In fact I very much believe it is partly responsible for recent success. They get super keyed in on that lure coming around and are ready to go. I'd still go straight to the source with KC And All, but with the right broods I think Superior Product could produce some fliers over there. As we have founds over the last couple decades here, his dam line is best bred to broods that can double, triple or even quadruple that line tracing back to Millie's May, and it hasn't mattered her if it was through Alive N Well up close, through imports like Just Lilly, Yurituni or Maythorn Pride, or even going all the way back to Millie's May or Racing May. The more you can stack that line on top of itself in a pedigree the better. You wouldn't believe all the success we've had over her doing that, even when people aren't realizing that they are doing it. Whether or not Superior Product's early speed here would translate to producing any over there, I don't know. I'd expect more stamina and if you get early speed as well from any of these studs, then look out because they should have plenty of strength.

I doubt it'd be relevant overseas, but Flying Hydrogen for misses, unless semen available overseas was drawn at a different stage in his life than what we are currently using over here. I've bred to him about 3 times and got one pups. About 80% or more on misses lately, here in the US, according to recent whelping reports.

Hondo Black was ill-suited for Southland's 583 yd. course. If he had raced at an early-speed track like Palm Beach or Wheeling he'd have been a superstar and would've never left our shores.

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It will bring one of the best producing USA tail lines together.
Both carry the just Lilly line.
Some top usa males have come from this line.
Oswald cobble pot-minake zeke-Trojan cruze-beastwithtwobacks-Kelso king pin-superior product-uss cool luke-uss west point-rob gronkowski ect just to name a few.
Its also the tail line of The great ballyregan bob.

Really like the look of this boy also,just outa interest what sort bitch did you breed to him??

Those are short careers here. 100-150 is typical. 200 is not unheard of. Some dogs make 300.

My understanding is that KC AND ALL ran over a hundred times and won 80 races. Thought of as a Sire for early pace but they can also battle and come from behind. Like this one.
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