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Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 05 Dec 2015 05:42
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Jack Gatty wrote:
It is amazing the number of starts the US sires have Compared to Australian sires. If KC&all had over 100 it is very impressive. Our track surface design has to be looked into asap. Imo
Bella Infrared won 70 out of 100 starts ..
Many dogs in the USA race well into their 150 200 starts is the norm .
Clearly it tells the tail of our poor management of our race tracks either the surface or our catching pens and its great to see the arm fold in under itself in the USA and the dogs just stand they looking at the little arms flapping around at the cage and i just don't get it why we have to spend hundreds of thousands on consultants when we already have a model to follow ...
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 05 Dec 2015 06:08
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kevin wright wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
It is amazing the number of starts the US sires have Compared to Australian sires. If KC&all had over 100 it is very impressive. Our track surface design has to be looked into asap. Imo
Bella Infrared won 70 out of 100 starts ..
Many dogs in the USA race well into their 150 200 starts is the norm .
Clearly it tells the tail of our poor management of our race tracks either the surface or our catching pens and its great to see the arm fold in under itself in the USA and the dogs just stand they looking at the little arms flapping around at the cage and i just don't get it why we have to spend hundreds of thousands on consultants when we already have a model to follow ...
Agree Kevin - why spend all this money on studies that have been done many times over and all over the world, only to be ignored by our regulators in the past and put in the too hard basket, when the US system produces a lure and track design that the data showing their dogs average 4 times the starts that our dogs average. Send a few people to the US to check out their system and copy it. Not rocket science and would save 100,000's of dollars on consulting and studies that will just reproduce data that already exists.
Chris Carl Australia (Verified User) Posts 778 Dogs 20 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 21:17
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 14 Dec 2015 00:24
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Hi Chris what colours did you get.
Chris Carl Australia (Verified User) Posts 778 Dogs 20 / Races 0 14 Dec 2015 01:30
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edward (ted) howard wrote:
Hi Chris what colours did you get.
all red fawn
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 14 Dec 2015 02:04
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kevin wright wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
It is amazing the number of starts the US sires have Compared to Australian sires. If KC&all had over 100 it is very impressive. Our track surface design has to be looked into asap. Imo
Bella Infrared won 70 out of 100 starts ..
Many dogs in the USA race well into their 150 200 starts is the norm .
Clearly it tells the tail of our poor management of our race tracks either the surface or our catching pens and its great to see the arm fold in under itself in the USA and the dogs just stand they looking at the little arms flapping around at the cage and i just don't get it why we have to spend hundreds of thousands on consultants when we already have a model to follow ...
Kev are you sure if Australia had tracks like U.S.A. our dogs could have as many race starts . Genentically they may be different ,built structurally differenetly . Maybe of a greater physical strength , thus enabling them to achieve so many race starts . Australian dogs may have more of the irish speed in their genetics . When in rome do as the romans do , doesn't mean you will then become roman , genetically speaking . Do they have " carnival tracks " in the U.S.A meaning they prepare the track rock hard for a carnival so as to run the hands off the clock , or do they just settle on tracks that will produce minimal injuries continuously . Maybe they are more advanced than us in their thinking of what is of paramount importance .
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 14 Dec 2015 02:59
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Its totally different in the States. They don't have hobby trainers.....a lot of hobby trainers give their dogs a break over the Xmas period and go on holidays.....while some don't like to race them in the hotter months. Plus we tend to retire our dogs earlier.
If you have a Group dog you don't race them every week. You save them for the Group races.
Look at Fernando Bale.....he's never had a serious injury.....and has had 43 starts. He will be retiring to stud soon.....and he has had more starts then most Group dogs. Should he have raced 100 times?
While I agree our tracks are much faster and our dogs do get injuries.....I can't say that is the ONLY reason.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 03:18
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Hi Chris I got 2 white & fawn,1light fawn and a black. He seems to throw a few white-fawn like dutch bahama. Hope they are all well and I think we are on a winner. Cheers Ted.
Jamie Osborn Australia (Verified User) Posts 89 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 07:15
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just wondering what peoples thoughts on Killer Dare as a stud dog and how much hassle would it be to get straws sent over here
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 02 Jan 2016 00:33
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It would be interesting to get an update on which sires are performing best from the Americans and wether they think the closure of Bluffs Run will have an adverse effect on some of the sires stats. Cheers Ted and Happy New Year to all.
Bernard John Duffy Australia (Verified User) Posts 8052 Dogs 28 / Races 8 03 Jan 2016 21:14
Chris best wishes with this Litter , The Gable Dodge line is one of my Favourite's and Proven.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 04 Jan 2016 03:41
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Larry Valenti wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
It is amazing the number of starts the US sires have Compared to Australian sires. If KC&all had over 100 it is very impressive. Our track surface design has to be looked into asap. Imo
Bella Infrared won 70 out of 100 starts ..
Many dogs in the USA race well into their 150 200 starts is the norm .
Clearly it tells the tail of our poor management of our race tracks either the surface or our catching pens and its great to see the arm fold in under itself in the USA and the dogs just stand they looking at the little arms flapping around at the cage and i just don't get it why we have to spend hundreds of thousands on consultants when we already have a model to follow ...
Kev are you sure if Australia had tracks like U.S.A. our dogs could have as many race starts . Genentically they may be different ,built structurally differenetly . Maybe of a greater physical strength , thus enabling them to achieve so many race starts . Australian dogs may have more of the irish speed in their genetics . When in rome do as the romans do , doesn't mean you will then become roman , genetically speaking . Do they have " carnival tracks " in the U.S.A meaning they prepare the track rock hard for a carnival so as to run the hands off the clock , or do they just settle on tracks that will produce minimal injuries continuously . Maybe they are more advanced than us in their thinking of what is of paramount importance .
It amazes me how jack can be so commonsensely is that even a word ? ,correct!and then u get someone like larry valenti! Quote "Kev are sure it's the tracks?" Straight away LARRY your mentality and attitude belongs where the sun doesn't shine !!who cares if it's not !!!! Let's just make sure anyway huh, you know welfare!!! Product of your sport income and love!!! I think they've and trainers /breeders have earnt the right for procautionary measures!dont u agree??LARRY? Genetically different ???Seriously are you on drugs?We have more Irish in us ???But the Irish are getting 3-4 times more race starts aswell!!!LARRY here is an Aust sire in USA ok take a look he had 200+ starts in 1 and 3/4 years and racing at just 14 months old and the rest of the litter not far behind ,so please explain all your scientific Roman bs!who would of thought so many easy procautionary steps to enrich a sport that has so much potential is so arrogantly denied the very opportunity !!!Food for thought !!imagine all major tracks around the world are majority equal and minimal in variance!so all countries could visit ,conquer the best against the best,you know Melbourne Cup ! Don't stop there ,golf have Ryder cup ,sailing have Americas cup,imagine U.K./Ireland/Aus/kiwis vs America tell me who wouldn't watch enjoy and respect that ...anyway the only difference LARRY is effort and priorities and like I'm going to post every week I read something as idiotic as yr statement our self indulgence is grose!!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Jan 2016 03:04
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The fact most USA Dogs have a lot more starts might have a lot to do with Greyhounds racing on a track where they are based, no need to trial just race race and race.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 05 Jan 2016 07:00
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I have often wondered how long our dogs would keep chasing if they only raced at the one track for 3 or 4 years ... never leaving the compound and entered every four to five days ... ?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Jan 2016 07:07
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Our Dogs waste a lot of time on trial tracks earning nothing.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 06 Jan 2016 02:51
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Mark Staines wrote:
The fact most USA Dogs have a lot more starts might have a lot to do with Greyhounds racing on a track where they are based, no need to trial just race race and race.
Good point mark about being settled l understand soundness and longevity would increase largely with easy/relaxed common surroundings,but I still think they have their core base for racing safety in place,otherwise what you are saying is because their greys race at one track increasing soundness and longevity why can't we speed tracks up ???the fact is they haven't !! Their best dogs are running between 20-30 METRES behind our greys that are ranked 50th for 2015,I'm sorry but our grp 3 dogs would not beat their best dogs by avg 25 mtr!! So my lesson I've learnt like in any sport is either to much or to less Tennis to slippery/grip Nrl to sandy/hard There is a medium to found in all codes,and if USA is a gauge stick for being the slowest but still managing soundness and we are the fastest by 25 mtrs but for some unkown reason 75% less longevity ie lures/box opening lure position/different tracks/trial use and finally the FOL,,surely as a proffesional industry we have to cross our TT ,dot our ii's and start with what I think is a successful base core for SAFER racing surface . Other wise we will all just keep injuries rife,pretending we are made of money and burning through it like it doesn't matter and move on to the next litter attitude!!maybe I'll tell my trainer to stay at one hard track and we should be right !joking mark! While I'm laughing mark I checked the first dog on USA site and he had raced at 4 tracks by his 7th start ,BUT yes u are correct on same tracks overall and I appreciate the different angle of vision you have given me ,cheers good luck !but I think we can still slow it down a bit on the stimpometer,as they say in golf!!
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 13 Oct 2020 10:30
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Its a shame Seldom Told was sold to China, "Need My Moneynow" out of same dam would be a good get for Aussie breeders.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 13 Oct 2020 12:21
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Brian Witt mentions the Alive and Well damline as being the hottest in USA at the time in his article which is interesting as that line is close up in the pedigree of Jiminy Reno.
Howard Moshinsky USA (Verified User) Posts 886 Dogs 3 / Races 0 13 Oct 2020 20:31
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simon need mymoney now throwing some very nice pups and nashapelli has some going in national
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 13 Oct 2020 21:15
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Howard can you please provide specifics on nashapelli offspring.
My understanding is that he has been adopted in USA and none of the straws sent to Australia have been used
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
