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Darryl Scott Hancock wrote:

What do people think of repeat matings? Dad was told by an expert at Albion Park that they never work, said thanks for the advice. ANJA won (3/3) handsomely 0.02 outside her older brothers track record. I know in thoroughbreds its common practice.

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The owner of Chloe Jones obviously never knew this Albion Park Expert Darryl.

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DYNA Lachlan was so good as a race dog, his breeder and owner Paul Wheeler broke a golden rule, a rule he has lived with for decade after decade.
Dyna Lachlan is the son of Go Wild Teddy-Benden Flex who in 2010 won the Group 1 Australian Cup and Adelaide Cup, was runner-up in the Melbourne Cup, and a finalist in the Topgun, Paws of Thunder and a golden Qld Derby.
He won 26 races and $438,000.
His litter sister Dyna Obelia was a great bitch winning 26 races and $126,000. Other littermates Go Wild Felp (14 wins, $31,000), Dyna Kalia (16 wins, $22,000) and Dyna Ogden (11 wins, $44,000) all added to the quality of the litter.
It was a litter to dream of.
Even Paul Wheeler thought so.
Whelped in 2007, it was the second litter for Benden Flex (Ashom Bale-Vista Bale) a multiple city winner. She had already had a litter by No Intent in 2006 which included 11-times winner Kirby Lane.
After the Go Wild Teddy litter in 2007, and while the pups from that litter were being reared and getting readied for racing, Wheeler mated and got litters from Benden Flex in 2008 to Wheres Pedro and 2009 to Over Flo.
By the end of 2009 Wheeler had decided he just had to break his rule on repeat matings.
Benden Flex gave birth to another Go Wild Teddy litter full relations to champion Dyna Lachlan and his wonderful Group 1 placed sister Dyna Obelia.
The litter was no good, lamented Wheeler.
In all, that repeat mating managed to win just seven races among them.
Wheeler had proved to himself once again that repeat matings just do not work at least for him.
Benden Flex would go on to produce litters in 2010 to Velocette and Collision and in 2011 to Jarvis Bale.
But is Wheeler right?
Are repeat matings the death knell he so avidly espouses.
This is a question greyhound breeders have been asking themselves since we first started to race the greyhound.
There are so many wonderful examples of repeat matings working to perfection that even the judgment and opinion of someone so famous in the world of greyhounds like Paul Wheeler can have that belief questioned.
Lets take for instance the likely 2014 Australian greyhound of the year Sweet It Is (Mogambo-Off Springer) who landed four Group 1 distance events during the year to dominate long distance racing.
Sweet It Is comes from a repeat mating of Mogambo-Off Springer. The first mating produced quality stayers Echelon and Granduer.
Wheeler is adamant the quality of a repeat mating suffers.
Not so the Mogambo-Off Springer combination.
Sweet It Is littermates include city winners and Group class gallopers Echelonic Action, Go Mobo, Smart Maxwell and Mechatronic.
Victorian Len Jones bred the litter that produced Sweet It Is and it was to be the last he did.
When Jones initially decided to repeat mate Mogambo and Off Srpinger he said: Would you improve going to another sire? Maybe and maybe not. However, the bitch is always the main reason for a successfully bred litter.
A repeat mating is no different. The pair can click again or maybe not. It could be as good but also it could be better. Nothing will say that a different sire would click either.
How right he is.
There are so many wonderful examples of repeat matings working over and over again.
Take for instance the Chariot Supreme-Shining Light mating that Kevin Richards did in January 1984, July 1985, September 1986 and September 1987. He got champion Shining Chariot, the great sprinter Pure Talent a host of feature race winners and the champion producer Centrefire (dam of Light Of Fire).
Then there is way back to the 1950s when Rocket Jet mated Gorgeous Babe in July 1955, March 1957 and May 1958.
The results of those repeat matings have dominated greyhound racing the world over. Names like the stud dogs Tell You Why, Magic Babe, Metal Jet, Sky Jet, Boeing Jet etc are everywhere. Bitches from the mating like Gemdalina and Early Jet and Gay Glint too can be found anywhere we look.
If that mating was not repeated where would we be?
Legend US race dog Flying Stanley (Kiowa Sweet Trey-Flying Rimes) won the Derby Lane Millions and at stud is the sire of legend Glen Gallon. Flying Stanley was a repeat mating and there is no doubting he was much better than any of his full relations to come from the first mating.
Surf Lorian is a success story when it comes to repeat matings.
Peter Bellamy and his mum Mavis mated their Group 2 Qld Futurity winner Barrio Fiesta to champion sire Just The Best three times.
Surf Lorian was from her second mating.
The first produced Group dog Barrio Lad.
The third produced feature race dogs Barrio Blade and Flamengo Flyer.
Hall of Famer Paua To Burn carved out a race career that will be remembered by many.
Bred, raced and trained by Steve White she re-wrote the record books and changed the lives of everyone connected to her.
By Awesome Assassin-Alice Dooley, Paua To Burn was whelped in 2002.
Alice Dooley had thrown multiple city winners and track record breakers in her previous three litters to Light Of Fire, Awesome Assassin and Elle's Commando.
Some said it was unusual to produce a superstar of Paua To Burn's quality in a fourth litter as well as the litter being a repeat mating.
But thats what happened.
Paua To Burn, a repeat mating, became a champion.
It is only natural for there to be conjecture about repeat matings.
Anyone, like Wheeler, who has tried to repeat a quality mating without success will be against them.
Much of the failure rate for repeat matings can be put squarely on the environment.
Broodbitches, even famous producers, get old. They can have health problems. Their pups can be sold to new clients and reared, educated and trained entirely differently.
The end result can be the result of all this and that means a repeat mating failure.
Stats gleaning from the US show that most broodbitches produce their best offspring from three to seven.
This too can cut down on the odds of repeat matings being successful. By the time one of those first litters proves itself, it could be three or four years and the broodbitch in question is already getting long in the tooth.
Who is to say the stud dog, sire of that initial first quality litter, is in the peak of health when it comes to siring the repeat mating.
And rival breeders can be a picky bunch.
Peter Rose, author of Australian Winning Lines, has a huge list of successful repeat matings throughout the world and is firmly in favour of the practice.
Rose always points to the Brother Fox-Versatile Miss litter.
The first mating produced legend Worth Doing as well as his fabulous littermates Wary Suspect, Metal Springs and Our Blue Haven all Group class gallopers.
Come 1989, when the ability of that first 1986 mating was known, it was a natural Versatile Miss would be put back to Brother Fox.
Most agreed the litter was a failure. None of them were as good as Worth Doing, Metal Springs, Wary Suspect.
But was it the failure they all said?
By any standards that 1989 litter was sensational. It included FIVE city winners.
For a broodbitch to produce five city winners in one litter, she is a one in 3000 bitch. Most broodbitches are lucky to produce just ONE city winner in a litter.
Five is virtually unheard of.
That repeat mating of Brother Fox-Versatile Miss was amazing.
Victoria's Tony McGrath says there is a good percentage of breeders that shy away from repeat matings, although the numbers have decreased over the years.
"What some people forget is that repeat matings occur when something special comes out of the first mating, so the dam is on a hiding to nothing because the expectations are often unrealistically high, McGrath said.
(Brother Fox-Versatile Miss the perfect example, and Go Wild Teddy-Bendex Flex too.)
Dennis Reid, pound for pound one of the worlds greatest greyhound breeders, is an avid believer in repeat matings.
His legend broodbitch Travelling Girl twice mated Pretty Short and Brother Fox with great results in all litter.
Her famous daughter Golden Fox went to New Tears twice and was just as successful.
Reid speaks glowingly of the success he has had with repeat matings.
Rose has a different spin on a repeat matings.
If youve done your homework on a pedigree and are satisfied it is the right one for your bitch, then go for it, he said.
But if that mating does NOT work out as you expected repeat it.
Repeat a failed mating!
Rose reasons that it could be the reverse of a repeat mating. The pedigree plan you so tirelessly worked on and were so confident in but failed first time around, could work the second time around.
How many breeders would do that though, he asks.
Pat Dalton in Ireland and Mary Butler in the US have been famous greyhound breeders for a lifetime.
Dalton bred the daughters of Maythorn Pride over and over to Sail On II. It's worth studying how he took the ensuing generations of her granddaughters and great granddaughters to a variety of sires and then re-bred all of them to the sire that worked best.
Butler bred daughters of Representation to K's Flak to great effect. When K's Flak died of old age, she tried nearly every one of his sons and finally settled upon Mi Designer and the line hardly missed a beat.
The ensuing granddaughters were bred to various sires and Fortress proved to be the best cross and all the daughters were bred to Fortress after that.
The next generation was largely bred to HB's Commander sons and great success was achieved with both Molotov and Oswald Cobblepot and to a lesser extent other Commander line sires.
Of course it helps to start with a Maythorn Pride or a Representation.
Legend Irish broodbitch Millies May was bred three times to Man of Pleasure. These three litters left a huge influence on the breed and the third was at least as good as the other two performance and breeding wise.
Champion stud dog Sand Man was from the first mating of Friend Westy-Miss Gorgeous. His litter brother Highway Robber was a champion.
The mating was done again and produced superstar Rooster Cogburn.
The list of successful repeat matings goes on and on.
Which brings us back to Paul Wheeler.
Im not saying repeat matings wont work, its just that I have found in the majority of cases it doesnt work, he said.
But many factors can come into play.
Many, many years ago, we got different results from two of Gails Beautys litters which we put down entirely to how they were reared.
Which brings us back to champion Dyna Lachlan and his dam Benden Flex.
We mentioned earlier that Benden Flex produced litters to No Intent, Go Wild Teddy, Wheres Pedro, Over Flo, Go Wild Teddy, Velocette, Collision and Jarvis Bale.
She will long be remembered as the dam of a champion and rightfully rated a broodbitch success.
But was she and did her repeat Go Wild Teddy mating have as much chance of success as Wheeler would have hoped?
Her litter by No Intent, apart from the 11 wins by Kirby Lane, were very poor.
Take out Dyna Lachlan and Dyna Obelia and her first Go Wild Teddy litter was moderate.
The Wheres Pedro litter produced 11-time winner Aiden Bale but nothing else.
The Over Flo litter produced some handy dogs, one Dyna Brownlow who won 11 races in NZ.
The Velocette litter had Dyna Helga winner of 11 races but nothing else.
The Collision litter was moderate.
To Jarvis Bale she produced Tick Bale, a very good dog with 10 wins and $57,000, but nothing else.
So, from eight litters, Benden Flex has really only produced three classy types. Admittedly one of those was champion Dyna Lachlan.
So, was it the repeat mating that caused Benden Flexs moderate litter to Go Wild Teddy in 2009, or was it just that she was a moderate producer anyway?
If I had bred Dyna Lachlan I too, like Paul Wheeler, would argue that point.
But there are enough stats, and enough fabulous examples to show that repeat matings do indeed work.

A repeat mating is no different. The pair can click again or maybe not. It could be as good but also it could be better. Nothing will say that a different sire would click either.

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time will tell how the repeat goes , they are nearly 5 months old now
and the amount of inquiries we have had about selling some tells me people will buy from a repeat mating , the difference in the litters
first litter 9 pups 3 dogs 6 bitches, 3 fawn 6 black

second litter 8 pups 6 dogs 2 bitches 4 fawn 4 black

one fawn bitch in each litter the mum is fawn

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