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Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4614 Dogs 11 / Races 0 21 Sep 2015 06:53
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Dan Hollywood wrote:
If the anti's are the cause, sires to China will be no more.
Anti's don't operate in China
when teir three first come in, was where will the dogs come from, breeding down at the moment, but there will be plenty of dogs in the future, breeding will pick up again.
LMAO,,,
Mrs Marien Joy Sullivan Australia (Verified User) Posts 45 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Sep 2015 09:58
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We breed to sell and race ourselves. Mostly race ourselves as the selling market is always bad.We must no stop breeding, The powers to be want to close tracks want to limit prize money want the week to go , do not give up, or racing will be a thing of the past. Fight on for the sport you love.
Robynne Black Australia (Verified User) Posts 1449 Dogs 20 / Races 0 21 Sep 2015 11:13
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Mrs Marien Joy Sullivan wrote:
We breed to sell and race ourselves. Mostly race ourselves as the selling market is always bad.We must no stop breeding, The powers to be want to close tracks want to limit prize money want the week to go , do not give up, or racing will be a thing of the past. Fight on for the sport you love.
We breed to sell and race ourselves. Mostly race ourselves as the selling market is always bad.We must no stop breeding, The powers to be want to close tracks want to limit prize money want the week to go , do not give up, or racing will be a thing of the past. Fight on for the sport you love.
Hello Marien. So agree with you. I've already noticed the drop in nominations here for Albion Park and Ipswich. Along with the natural attrition rate of injuries etc at these meetings we're going to be in big strife in months to come. The industry needs 'incentives' to breed NOT 'disincentives'. I myself have a litter due next week (Fabregas-Tiny Wong Way) so I'm putting my money where my mouth is so to speak. Good luck in breeding and racing.
We can't let this negativity get in the way of breeding greyhounds for racing
We just have to do it responsibly under the new rules, whatever they may end up being when all this is over.
The only way to fight back is to carry on regardless and show the sport's unity and solidarity
At least the Victorians have resisted GA's calls so far to introduce these inane breeding rules.
NSW and Qld have accepted them meekly.
I think their offices are being run by the Anti's these days.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 21 Sep 2015 22:04
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Safer tracks,dogs racing longer ,better grading where needed and responsible breeding practices which lets face it haven't been the case for many years with the industry completely unregulated.Times have changed rightly or wrongly and publics expectations must be met .The government cant be seen to be tacitly approving of wastage by encouraging breeders to breed where so many don't make the track.I don't know the answer but if we don't regulate ourselves than there is no future long term.
Safer tracks,dogs racing longer ,better grading where needed and responsible breeding practices which lets face it haven't been the case for many years with the industry completely unregulated.Times have changed rightly or wrongly and publics expectations must be met .The government cant be seen to be tacitly approving of wastage by encouraging breeders to breed where so many don't make the track.I don't know the answer but if we don't regulate ourselves than there is no future long term.
For example, Bitch 1, had say 20 pups over 3 litters, 80% are named and 4 unnamed and 60% or 12 of them have each won a race at Broken Hill your bitch will pass for a fourth litter
Wastage = 4
On the other hand, your other bitch, Bitch 2, has also had 3 litters for 20 pups, 50% unnamed and the other 50% produces good winners i.e. 10 pups, with 2 Group winners, 4 city winners and 4 TAB winners, your bitch will fail for a 4th litter
Wastage = 10
According to the new rules, Bitch 1 is more worthy than Bitch 2
They are only looking at the wastage factor, not the class factor
Naming a pup costs around $35 so that's easy to get around. And if you really want, take the others for a road trip around the bush until your win percentage is up.
Maybe your scenario is exactly what they want to stop. This pup isn't city class = wastage.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4614 Dogs 11 / Races 0 21 Sep 2015 23:48
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Naming a pup costs around $35 so that's easy to get around. And if you really want, take the others for a road trip around the bush until your win percentage is up.
Maybe your scenario is exactly what they want to stop. This pup isn't city class = wastage.
thats a fair point jamie, cost to name a pup in nsw is $80
Naming a pup costs around $35 so that's easy to get around. And if you really want, take the others for a road trip around the bush until your win percentage is up.
Maybe your scenario is exactly what they want to stop. This pup isn't city class = wastage.
Jamie
It costs $80 in NSW now to name a pup.
But yes it seems that they want you to ensure every pup is treated and raced on its merits, whether it is profitable for you to do so or not.
But if you want to keep breeding with a particular bitch beyond the 3rd litter, its up to the brood owner to ensure that the pups are being sold to and raced by people who will give them a fair go in the class that they fall into, ability wis,e and that they get a chance to win a race
Cost to name a pup in Vic :- $35 fee { $45 for non breeder } + imunisation $40? + Vet Consultation $ 55 { min } = at least $120 -> $130.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 22 Sep 2015 01:51
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participants have put this industry in jeopardy PTB are just looking after there well paid jobs most of us would do the same.Theres two lots of wastage one at the front one at the end of end.Neither in todays environment will be acceptable so think before you breed what you will do if they aren't up to scratch and many have and breedings down along with other factors. Tracks need to be looked at for attrition rates ,graders need to cater for all and racing dogs longer needs to become attractive all helping the breeder be able to confidently breed or its the end.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Sep 2015 02:46
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steven martin wrote:
The Litters in Australia that are "For Sale" on this website, have now dropped to 76.
The Litters in Australia that are "For Sale" on this website, have now dropped to an all time low of 65.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 28 Sep 2015 03:42
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Steve if only participants would stand up for themselves, don't give the anti's or anyone else trying to run this industry down any satisfaction. Do what you enjoy doing, no one can take that away from you.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 28 Sep 2015 03:46
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I have a bitch 1st litter 8 pups ,all named, 6 winners just done second litter ,next season bitch is 8 yrs old do the pups count from 2nd litter towards % although they wont have raced. If they do its wrong and goes against responsible breeding as we waited to see wether she was worth a second litter.Cheers Ted.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 28 Sep 2015 03:47
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steven martin wrote:
steven martin wrote:
The Litters in Australia that are "For Sale" on this website, have now dropped to 76.
The Litters in Australia that are "For Sale" on this website, have now dropped to an all time low of 65.
and one single litter for sale last week in the national greyhound form ,, if it keeps dropping at this rate there will be no pups for sale come christmas ,
so where does that leave us ?
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Sep 2015 04:31
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The cups half empty Michael . I dont rely on greyhounds for income so my take on it isnt so pressured . The rules are the rules take them or dont . A back log of BF cards may come out soon and we will be away again . In the meantime i will ajust to the requirements and go ahead . Turn of the century the clocks were gunna stop but mine didnt ! Have a go my old grandmother used to say .
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 28 Sep 2015 07:11
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No wonder litters are dropping, the radio keeps flogging 40% of pups don't make it to the track with 90 odd % being put down at some stage.
When will the industry leaders media statement be aired.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
