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Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 20 Aug 2017 10:13
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Michael Barry wrote:
litters stil dropping down to 36 now
But prices are rising very rapidly just looking at page one ,
What there asking and what they will get are two different things.
In this day n age good pups should sell in days if not before they are born.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 20 Aug 2017 22:04
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Michael Barry wrote:
"litters stil dropping down to 36 now"
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Update Monday 21st..down to 34 now--and 4 of those are giveaways!
The industry is unsustainable at this rate...when will the PTB react to this situation??
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 21 Aug 2017 03:30
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ian bradshaw wrote:
Update Monday 21st..down to 34 now--and 4 of those are giveaways!
The industry is unsustainable at this rate...when will the PTB react to this situation??
I think the PTB won't, so...
When will the INDUSTRY react to this situation?
Probably the same answer.
Good night, Irene.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 21 Aug 2017 04:48
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
ian bradshaw wrote:
Update Monday 21st..down to 34 now--and 4 of those are giveaways!
The industry is unsustainable at this rate...when will the PTB react to this situation??
I think the PTB won't, so...
When will the INDUSTRY react to this situation?
Probably the same answer.
Good night, Irene.
Micky ...Come on Eileen ...
Crippling us all was very easy to work out for the pen pushers ... Make the Industry self implode and destroy the easiest targets first ...The Breeder /Owner .... Over regulate to impossible goals and targets ...
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 21 Aug 2017 11:43
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
ian bradshaw wrote:
Update Monday 21st..down to 34 now--and 4 of those are giveaways!
The industry is unsustainable at this rate...when will the PTB react to this situation??
I think the PTB won't, so...
When will the INDUSTRY react to this situation?
Probably the same answer.
Good night, Irene.
Micky ...Come on Eileen ...
Crippling us all was very easy to work out for the pen pushers ... Make the Industry self implode and destroy the easiest targets first ...The Breeder /Owner .... Over regulate to impossible goals and targets ...
Agree.
So, Eileen betta get her tail wagging quick smart!
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 21 Aug 2017 21:18
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28 now an all time low id say ,
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 21 Aug 2017 21:31
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Then take out at least 3 advertisements that should be in the Saplings area and you are down from 29 to 26 litters
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 21 Aug 2017 21:39
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Michael Barry wrote:
28 now an all time low id say ,
28 .. It will go lower ... No future in Breeding Greyhounds Mick if you cannot rehome them ....
All foster and Gap agencies around Australia are overflowing with dogs ......
Can we achieve the unachievable under the present controls and restraints .. You and Maureen have been one of Victoria's best breeders for years .. How do you see our Future and are you going to breed any more litters this year or in 2018 ...
You along with others have invested 100's of thousands even Millions into your property and dogs over the years and can you see things getting better....
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 21 Aug 2017 22:17
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
28 now an all time low id say ,
28 .. It will go lower ... No future in Breeding Greyhounds Mick if you cannot rehome them ....
All foster and Gap agencies around Australia are overflowing with dogs ......
Can we achieve the unachievable under the present controls and restraints .. You and Maureen have been one of Victoria's best breeders for years .. How do you see our Future and are you going to breed any more litters this year or in 2018 ...
You along with others have invested 100's of thousands even Millions into your property and dogs over the years and can you see things getting better....
Kevin I retired last year . Sold my place as the infrastructure was just too hard to manage . I then built a brand new place to comply or exceed current regulations . Now to see a new set of rules and regulations forced upon us . The infacture changes I could probally live with The crap regulations if imposed I can't and won't live with We will simply move on For what was supposed to be a relaxed retirement breeding and rearing a few litters. Is now becoming all too much.no more. Breeding this year. We will sit. back see how this new code goes.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 21 Aug 2017 23:22
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
28 now an all time low id say ,
28 .. It will go lower ... No future in Breeding Greyhounds Mick if you cannot rehome them ....
All foster and Gap agencies around Australia are overflowing with dogs ......
Over above all the new regulations etc the biggest single issue impacting the Industry is a failure to provide reward and encourage chase - for all the talk about having "experts" educate trainers and rearers on how to encourage chase through means other than rabbit carcasses or hides ,where are the results - the "experts" have failed - the industry is full of non chasing/half hearted race dogs or pups which will be retired early or in fact never make it to the track. Re-homing the numbers will be impossible under the current reward rules - of course the self imposed refusal to breed ,will in 2 - 5 years reduce the demand, by which time most of us will have moved on. Rome is burning whilst the "experts" are figuring out what has gone wrong - or are they even trying?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 21 Aug 2017 23:51
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
Kevin Wright wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
28 now an all time low id say ,
28 .. It will go lower ... No future in Breeding Greyhounds Mick if you cannot rehome them ....
All foster and Gap agencies around Australia are overflowing with dogs ......
Over above all the new regulations etc the biggest single issue impacting the Industry is a failure to provide reward and encourage chase - for all the talk about having "experts" educate trainers and rearers on how to encourage chase through means other than rabbit carcasses or hides ,where are the results - the "experts" have failed - the industry is full of non chasing/half hearted race dogs or pups which will be retired early or in fact never make it to the track. Re-homing the numbers will be impossible under the current reward rules - of course the self imposed refusal to breed ,will in 2 - 5 years reduce the demand, by which time most of us will have moved on. Rome is burning whilst the "experts" are figuring out what has gone wrong - or are they even trying?
Nick
The administrators of this sport have been derelict in their duty up till now, especially those in charge at Greyhounds Australasia
It is a devastating action to encourage breeding restrictions down to numbers to a level that appeases the public eye
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Without simultaneously implementing a National Finish On Lure system that tries to keep the remaining dogs in the racing pool interested and competing in races is deplorable
It really shows how much they DON'T understand how the industry actually works
It is run by people who mainly have no interest at all in greyhound racing and I dare to say that most of the people who run these organizations would not have any hands on experience with greyhounds, hence the reliance on external reports from other organizations who also don't understand the sport
It's really a case of the blind leading the blind who are leading the people who really know about the sport
It's a disgrace how its being run.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 21 Aug 2017 23:54
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
Kevin Wright wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
28 now an all time low id say ,
28 .. It will go lower ... No future in Breeding Greyhounds Mick if you cannot rehome them ....
All foster and Gap agencies around Australia are overflowing with dogs ......
Over above all the new regulations etc the biggest single issue impacting the Industry is a failure to provide reward and encourage chase - for all the talk about having "experts" educate trainers and rearers on how to encourage chase through means other than rabbit carcasses or hides ,where are the results - the "experts" have failed - the industry is full of non chasing/half hearted race dogs or pups which will be retired early or in fact never make it to the track. Re-homing the numbers will be impossible under the current reward rules - of course the self imposed refusal to breed ,will in 2 - 5 years reduce the demand, by which time most of us will have moved on. Rome is burning whilst the "experts" are figuring out what has gone wrong - or are they even trying?
No one is trying Nick ... The GRV are trying like all other states to shut us down by stealth ..
The silent but deadly back door attack ..
No one is saying jack because everyone is so worried about their future and how these new rules will wipe out many years of hard work ... Greyhound properties worth millions will be worth a fraction of what it cost to build .. Huge investment in pups and breeding will be wiped out by stealth ...
We are a fractured group of people who will never agree on any new ideas and a fresh new approach and we are living still in a past ...
Fail to chase is widespread and no one is protected and it is happening more and more ....
The only way forward is to breed back to chase and then cross your fingers and toes ....that there is still a industry in 5 years time .......
We have been railroaded shafted by the people we believed in to help our Industry ...
Our very own GOTBA still fails to attract any real membership numbers and presence and i ask the question WHY IS THIS SO ....
The LOUDEST GROUPS SHOULD BE EVERY GOTBA in Australia ...
Every day we should see news and action by this group but they remain behind closed doors with a deafening silence all over Australia .... Why is this so Nic
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 22 Aug 2017 00:04
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Great post, Nicholas. Greyhounds weren't ever bred to chase flying "rags," so no wonder there are more and more dogs not chasing properly. New Zealand have got it pretty right in their races with the FOL, so why can't we do the same in ours ? I see that farmers are calling for a return of "bunny guns" to help with the rabbit problems on their properties. There is absolutely no reason for not allowing us to use rabbit skins or carcasses. The animal is obviously not alive, the upcoming and present dogs would benefit greatly, and the thousands of dollars spent by owners, on the dogs and on properties, won't be wasted, by having to retire them prematurely. Seems like common sense to me.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 22 Aug 2017 00:43
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Another observation ,I dare say obvious only to the participants. The community has largely moved on from the Live baiting issue.The industry is not in the news for the wrong reasons - the last news "outbreak" was pro Industry condemning the draft COP. Yet all we get from the Administrators is the constant beat of "Animal Welfare" as if no one gets it, or the community are still up in arms.
Leadership would be to leverage the considerable progress made on animal welfare & breeding reforms ,is such, that the next phase is to ensure as high as percentage of all dogs bred make it to the track and enjoy long careers through grading initiates and track design .This will entail the reintroduction of carcasses and animal hides strictly under the supervision of the stewards and vets at nominated Racetracks and authorised Break in establishments.
God only knows the stewards and welfare officers would be far more productive working in conjunction with the participants through overseeing and providing such a service.
I think "Joe Public" (the minority nutters are not Joe Public!!) would be fine with this. The industry can clearly demonstrate reward driven greyhounds are just as capable of being re educated for re homing purposes as those that lack chase instincts.
Remember the infamous words of AA and RSPCA when the 4 Corner's story broke -" we have given the industry time to self regulate - they have failed to do,so now we are enforcing reform".Well the industry has been re regulated, now how about the Administrators do something about rebuilding participant confidence and the Industry's integrity, being hard chasing greyhounds , which in turn generates the revenues and economic turnover.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 22 Aug 2017 04:04
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Here's the total breeding figures between 2010 to 2014 (5 years), State by State.
Here's the total breeding figures between 2015 to 2017, after all the regulations were handed down that has destroyed a hobby....that so many generations of people / families have enjoyed.
Please note that the year 2017 obviously only includes 6 months (Jan to June)
Our leaders would without doubt have all these figures right in front of their faces. And what are they doing about it ???? Absolutely F@#k all. WHY???? Well that's obvious....otherwise they'd be encouraging us to BREED.
The figures don't lie but some of our public servants do.
Jeff Crawford Australia (Verified User) Posts 238 Dogs 12 / Races 0 22 Aug 2017 04:39
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steven martin wrote:
Here's the total breeding figures between 2010 to 2014 (5 years), State by State.
Here's the total breeding figures between 2015 to 2017, after all the regulations were handed down that has destroyed a hobby....that so many generations of people / families have enjoyed.
Please note that the year 2017 obviously only includes 6 months (Jan to June)
Our leaders would without doubt have all these figures right in front of their faces. And what are they doing about it ???? Absolutely F@#k all. WHY???? Well that's obvious....otherwise they'd be encouraging us to BREED.
The figures don't lie but some of our public servants do.
Gee I hope current breeding is a topic of conversation this week up here in Qld. when all the PTB are meeting to discuss things.....
A start is to :
Reduce fees associated with breeding ie: DNA kits fee, Application to breed a bitch, registration of pups fees etc etc.
Remove breeding restrictions such as 4th litters etc.
Introduce breeding incentive schemes such as we once had.....horses still have theirs....
The figures Steve has provided paint a very concerning future for the industry.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Aug 2017 05:36
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Jeff Crawford wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Here's the total breeding figures between 2010 to 2014 (5 years), State by State.
Here's the total breeding figures between 2015 to 2017, after all the regulations were handed down that has destroyed a hobby....that so many generations of people / families have enjoyed.
Please note that the year 2017 obviously only includes 6 months (Jan to June)
Our leaders would without doubt have all these figures right in front of their faces. And what are they doing about it ???? Absolutely F@#k all. WHY???? Well that's obvious....otherwise they'd be encouraging us to BREED.
The figures don't lie but some of our public servants do.
Gee I hope current breeding is a topic of conversation this week up here in Qld. when all the PTB are meeting to discuss things.....
A start is to :
Reduce fees associated with breeding ie: DNA kits fee, Application to breed a bitch, registration of pups fees etc etc.
Remove breeding restrictions such as 4th litters etc.
Introduce breeding incentive schemes such as we once had.....horses still have theirs....
The figures Steve has provided paint a very concerning future for the industry.
Jeff, I totally agree with you, but let's go one step further and take a close look at another cost which could be reduced...stud fees.
The studmasters are not helping by not offering reduced stud fees, which most astute business people would do, when faced with the fact their industry is imploding.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Aug 2017 05:55
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Ian.. I agree If by reducing stud fee's gets a sale and a litter of pups on the ground then why not in this present climate ..
I dont think there would be a person today who would not consider a deal or a lower price as an incentive to help sway the savvy Breeder ...
I would consider selling all remaining vials i own at a reduced cost ...
The problem is most have or are using vials that people have tucked away ..
There are not to many Stud masters today who are running at a profit...
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Aug 2017 06:22
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Ian.. I agree
I would consider selling all remaining vials i own at a reduced cost ...
The problem is most have or are using vials that people have tucked away ..
Kevin,
Let's hope that the vials that people have tucked away today, don't end up as the vials that get chucked away tomorrow, if the market disappears.
Patrick D'Arcy Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 3 / Races 0 22 Aug 2017 06:58
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Carole Brown wrote:
Great post, Nicholas. Greyhounds weren't ever bred to chase flying "rags," so no wonder there are more and more dogs not chasing properly. New Zealand have got it pretty right in their races with the FOL, so why can't we do the same in ours ? I see that farmers are calling for a return of "bunny guns" to help with the rabbit problems on their properties. There is absolutely no reason for not allowing us to use rabbit skins or carcasses. The animal is obviously not alive, the upcoming and present dogs would benefit greatly, and the thousands of dollars spent by owners, on the dogs and on properties, won't be wasted, by having to retire them prematurely. Seems like common sense to me.
The problem is the rule changers think that our docile natured greyhound will become a killing machine, similar to an American pit bull, if given a sniff of anything encouraging, in any form. Laughable ignorance but true
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