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Jack Ogilvie
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What a run.A group stayer in the future.


Paul Dicks
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That "Ethanol" litter is going OK, another one won well tonight at The Meadows over the 600. The problem is they are out of a 100% imported American bitch.

https:/ CLICK HERE

Going by the reports from owners and breakers, the Aussie bred litters are only very ordinary unfortunately. It's a pity, because they are quoting ridiculous offers for the couple of DS straws here in Australia. Turns out he might not click well with colonial bred bitches.


Frank Muldowney
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it must be the crosses because there unreal here in ireland you could not buy one



Jack Ogilvie
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27 Jan 2024 21:11


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Welcome back Dixie.The forum has been quiet and boring.


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Paul Dicks wrote:

That "Ethanol" litter is going OK, another one won well tonight at The Meadows over the 600. The problem is they are out of a 100% imported American bitch.

https:/ CLICK HERE

Going by the reports from owners and breakers, the Aussie bred litters are only very ordinary unfortunately. It's a pity, because they are quoting ridiculous offers for the couple of DS straws here in Australia. Turns out he might not click well with colonial bred bitches.

Couple of good winners at The Meadows tonight for DS. It must be the litters here in QLD that aren't any good. Because the owners, rearers and breakers up here I've spoken to are very disappointed in his progeny.

It seemed unlikely DS wouldn't have some success on some level, he has had a stellar book of bitches.

[Edited Admin - Trolling]


Frank Muldowney
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as i said before it must be the bitches because in ireland there flying shelbourne last night 8 winners 6 rounds of gold cup all won by sydneys and 2 other winners on the night all top class races mabey the distances dont suite thanks



Darren Leeson
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04 Feb 2024 20:20


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Frank, ignore the narks! Droopys Sydney is doing very well out here!! Hell only ever have a small number of litters. But, the quality is unmistakable!

Ethanol Volume - EXTERNAL LINK

N.B 2nd dog sired by all distance dynamo Vulturi has flown around The Meadows in 29.67

Ethanol Water - EXTERNAL LINK / EXTERNAL LINK

N.B record is Dyna Double One 33.91 - Water had no right to take so many lengths off Cain Bale and just miss beating him - EXTERNAL LINK

Bun Storm - EXTERNAL LINK

P.s I know of a red hot break in (schooling) out here as well.



Nathan Bendeich
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Interesting breeding in Bun Storm

The dam bred on duplications and the potent and consistent high percentage Nick ( which has been raised before by ped specialists on here Ryan .V ) of bold work / lemon soda popping up thru Ashom bale and Lassinagh silky .

Then reintroduced again in Droopys mating thru Mega delight and Ambitious star . Some in x path , some not !

Nice work !! Beautifully bred !!! By luck or well thought out ? Be good to know by the breeder

Could get interesting if there was a high flying son in this litter !

Ps . Not every point being raised good or bad is about being a nark , noticing patterns thru what could be classed as a fail or not is worth noting , eg if US blood is present in success within 7 gens or being more so on the aust bred within 5 gens .
Ignoring his first 5 failed litters and only highlighting his first successful, isnt wise or appropriate!

Could be key with the rare and last remaining straws for everyone in the future . Isnt that what its all about ?





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I wld tend to think more like a Tesio high percentage nick Nathan.

If you reverse Bun Storm's ped https:/ CLICK HERE notice a superstar in Droopys Vieri is from Droopy's Sydney's damline.

So in turn if you take Bun Storm's grandam Dyna Gypsy and put Droopys Vieri's sire Top Honcho over her https:/ CLICK HERE with a view to creating a breeding parallel to Droopy's Vieri, and mark off the cross duplications using the blood quota table below you'll see Dyna Gypsy carries different individuals that cover 94% of Top Honcho's ped within 6 gens.
Cheers.

PS. Zulu Moss' sister Riviera Moss, Del Bairn Babe's sire Del Bairn, and Touch of Ireland's sire Come on Wonder are in Tranquil Flame's ped.

PPS. if you look at Droopys Sydney himself https:/ CLICK HERE then look at the nick between his sires dam Owvane Beauty and Top Honcho https:/ CLICK HERE once again from a breeding parallel to Droopys Vieri perspective. You'll see Owvane Beauty carries different individuals that cover 88% of Top Honcho's ped within 5 gens this time. Exactly the same Tesio principle 'the succesful dogs sire over the choice of sires dam'. With Bun Storm the pedigree was reversed to get the positioning, then the Tesio principle applied.


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frank muldowney wrote:

as i said before it must be the bitches because in ireland there flying shelbourne last night 8 winners 6 rounds of gold cup all won by sydneys and 2 other winners on the night all top class races mabey the distances dont suite thanks

His first couple of litters didn't look much good. But there are a couple of handy ones coming through now. Being in such high demand he has had the cream of the bitches, so it's little wonder.

Having said that, he seems to be a famine or feast sire, Either good or very ordinary. Both litter to litter and litermate to littermate. Is that the way he is over there to.

The DS pups and break-ins I've seen locally aren't going to make the cut. But having said that apparently there have been crazy offers of over $27,000+ for his FS so someone must know something.




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27k wow. that could be a record if some one pays that. I heard there is one out there at 15/20k but the owners might keep it.DS is too good a dog not to throw some top-class pups. Most dogs who are broken are only going around 300m so I would write the dog off yet. Let's see them over 500/700m



Nathan Bendeich
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25k + for a non return straw , non GRP winning producer and a 44% strike rate of having a 5 pup or less litter is the stupidest thing Ive heard in my time in greyhounds .

In comparison

There are homegrown sires at a quarter of that with a return and a 90% strike rate of 7 pups + with GRP winners

How dumb can u get !


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27k = 1 x Fernando Bale plus 1 x Bernardo plus 1 x Tommy Shelby plus 1 x Feral Franky plus 1 x Sennachie plus money left over.

I know what I'd rather be holding on to.




Frank Muldowney
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07 Feb 2024 20:11


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stud dog of the year for the last 3 years in ireland thanks


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Darren Leeson wrote:

Frank, ignore the narks! Droopys Sydney is doing very well out here!! Hell only ever have a small number of litters. But, the quality is unmistakable!

Ethanol Volume - EXTERNAL LINK

N.B 2nd dog sired by all distance dynamo Vulturi has flown around The Meadows in 29.67

Ethanol Water - EXTERNAL LINK / EXTERNAL LINK

N.B record is Dyna Double One 33.91 - Water had no right to take so many lengths off Cain Bale and just miss beating him - EXTERNAL LINK

Bun Storm - EXTERNAL LINK

P.s I know of a red hot break in (schooling) out here as well.

I sure hope so, especially with her first litter being so disappointing. Bit of a concern though, with her full sister not producing anything with real talent to the same sire.


Frank Muldowney
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breeders will tell you its 70 percent down to the bitch



Nathan Bendeich
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Interesting breeding in Bun Storm

The dam bred on duplications and the potent and consistent high percentage Nick ( which has been raised before by ped specialists on here Ryan .V ) of bold work / lemon soda popping up thru Ashom bale and Lassinagh silky .

Then reintroduced again in Droopys mating thru Mega delight and Ambitious star . Some in x path , some not !

Nice work !! Beautifully bred !!! By luck or well thought out ? Be good to know by the breeder

Could get interesting if there was a high flying son in this litter !

Ps . Not every point being raised good or bad is about being a nark , noticing patterns thru what could be classed as a fail or not is worth noting , eg if US blood is present in success within 7 gens or being more so on the aust bred within 5 gens .
Ignoring his first 5 failed litters and only highlighting his first successful, isnt wise or appropriate!

Could be key with the rare and last remaining straws for everyone in the future . Isnt that what its all about ?

Run of the night , possesses the ability to run Bon easily , making no errors .

Havent seen a run like that for a long time .




Darren Leeson
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24 Feb 2024 11:51


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Good to see youve changed your tune Nathan lol. Droopys Sydney went a whisker from getting a treble tonight at The Meadows! Having to settle for a double and a close 2nd.

Remember you having a good old crack at me suggesting this was the litter to judge Droopys Sydney on here in Oz, being litter 10 - EXTERNAL LINK

From what Andy Lord mentioned on Going Greyhounds a couple of weeks ago about the above link litter. Its only going to continue on an upwards spiral for Droopys Sydney here in Oz!





Nathan Bendeich
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Darren Leeson wrote:

Good to see youve changed your tune Nathan lol. Droopys Sydney went a whisker from getting a treble tonight at The Meadows! Having to settle for a double and a close 2nd.

Remember you having a good old crack at me suggesting this was the litter to judge Droopys Sydney on here in Oz, being litter 10 - EXTERNAL LINK

From what Andy Lord mentioned on Going Greyhounds a couple of weeks ago about the above link litter. Its only going to continue on an upwards spiral for Droopys Sydney here in Oz!

Everyone has an opinion on any subject Darren , Ive always appreciated breeding thus I have put a lot of time into this area to understand it and I always gather all the information available to make as good or correct assessment on it .

When he started here , I had already watched his homeland fellow studs for the last decade and simply raised the point of caution , he himself had booked nothing but city running broods and or city producing , when his first litter hit , I reported results and they werent flattering and then the next and the next and the next werent good either !

Its not a change of tune , its just a call it as I see it .

Hes now produced a litter that can run and I singled one out Bun storm as being the one to follow that I think has that extra X factor of ability before she went on her triple win rampage ! As usual I was correct !

Good on Bun storm and more importantly good on Droopy for delivering the highest class ability you can .

Heres the thing but , if he throws that litter and Just terms litter only in his first 10 litters from a book of all city broods , Ill call it as it is , which is a sire who can throw a pup here and there but 80% are horrible !

Waiting for litter results from number 10 brood down the line ( like you suggested ) becomes irrelevant in terms of him already being assessed was my point !

With the book of his bitches which is no different to most wanted or new sires they start with a bang bud , not 1 or 2 from 10

No different to the critics our own home sires receive




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He is getting some handy pups now. He was always going to with the quality of bitches he was serving. Every one of them have been at least City Class, with most being Group class. Like most sires the best progeny are coming from the best bitches. Gypsy Bun won $189K and Just Terms won $285K He hasn't clicked with handy but lesser quality bitches like Aeroplane Indi and Hopeful Lash.

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