As for trying to recreate something unique. While each pedigree is individual in nature. Even the greatest of breeders know what works with their line and arent re-inventing the wheel! None more evident in the passed on from one generation to the next Pringle / Hallinan line!

Big powerful win by Ethanol Water at Sandown - EXTERNAL LINK

Also Nashville Bale https:/ CLICK HERE and littermate Geani Bale fall into the Tesio linebreeding category to Top Honcho as well.

With Nashville Bale it's not Dyna Uni's dam but her sires dam Chloe Allen that nicks with Top Honcho https:/ CLICK HERE at a massive 97% within 6 gens creating yet another breeding parallel to Droopys Vieri.

It's getting pretty obvious what the key to this sire is if breeders were to linebreed him. jmo.

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97% within 7 . 94 % within 5

Ps. AGAIN Wizardry

Pss. Or let me guess ! Silent dam assassin , King Pepe found it !

Lmao

Psss. Gold maybe ???

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I wld call it 97% within 6 btw because of Zulu/Riviera Moss being sisters and Come on Wonder in the 6th being where the last red wld appear, if data were to go to 6 gens.

Just to be a stickler for positioning though it wld be Top Honcho over Princess https:/ CLICK HERE which may not quite work, however I can see the point you're making. I wish I had your photographic memory.

I think every breeder may rue what might have been and a daughter of Fernando may be a chance of throwing a city type if there was Sydney straw at hand and the nick was to click ? Although it must be said it'll be slightly less effective being one gen further back.

re pss do you mean spotting COW in AA's ped ? if so I can't remember but Jim P. is a genius with damlines, the best I've seen in my 40+ yrs in the industry. Cheers.

Once is a possibility , 4 times is a consistent pattern I would say .

I know its yours .!

The last time I mentioned wizardry . I gave the conical wizards hat to the wrong person !

The success of the Ethanol Water litter, is simply history repeating itself. When you really know what to look for!

Darren ,

Ill go through this as slowly and measured and clearly one last time ?

Every mating is its own mating or preference or luck ! Show me a post Ive written where I havent stated the word POSSIBLE on a line bred theory or preference one has taken !

Stating uncovering a Nick at a high percentage is choosing what suits doesnt make sense in we arent stating a Theory and then finding what supports it ?
You uncover a Nick and then when another high class performer appears you start over again and sometimes theres a pattern that always can only be regarded as a possibility!

But its a calculated possibility!

Where when your trying to tell me looking at high performers ped and copying by duplicating the same Nick duplications they have done with only 75% of its oringinal lines

Thats picking what suits your own 3/4 pedigree where the only outcome is obviously down

You aint going to replicate a Ferrari with only 70% of its original parts ?

And you finish your puzzling thread insinuating linebreeding with high percentages or duplication in certain spots isnt knowing what your doing ?

Really . Anyone can pick a duplication and follow siut Darren
Not the other way around

Darren, a sire has many facets and reasons why it may click with a brood. Whether it be Tesio, x path, Vullier's dosage system or whatever theory you want to choose, it doesn't have to throw to the same pattern continuously as you're expecting.
Wanting it that way doesn't make it so.
You have to evaluate what's there every time, to work out what makes sense theoretically and/or genetically.

I've already explained E/Water to you in this topic with x path yet you chose to ignore a genetic fact :

Darren Leeson wrote:

Think youre completely missing the mark on Ethanol Water litter Ryan.........................

Surely you can't argue against a genetic fact can you? Yet you did.

The problem I have with what you're saying is that you haven't actually told us what your theory is ?

This is a forum where people discuss their ideas, so what's your actual, specific, precise, reasoning on what consistently makes Droopys Sydney such a good sire ?

I know he is, as there are patterns that are very obvious to me as I've quantified with individual broods' successes. How does he quantifiably read to you ?

Banging on about intensity within 5 generations. Then distant x path linebreeding in the Ethanol Water mating. Far too convenient for mine. No offence intended, just calling it as I see it.

I forever live in hope of you boys breeding a litter. Letting us all know of it at time of whelping. So we can see something in futuristic mode.

I really must stop biting haha

I'm not offended, I feel sorry for you. It's what's there from a linebreeding perspective with an outcrossed mating and you're still disputing the genetic facts presented ?

It appears that you're not seeing anything.

Oh my, Darren. That's such a disappointing overall response from someone allegedly knowledgeable about pedigrees. I'm lost for words.
I can't even wish you luck with your 2 future Droopys Sydney litters, you just don't deserve it with the lack of content you've provided here.

I'm sorry, I always try to be positive but unless you've got some valid breeding responses to the questions I've asked, it's impossible for me to take you seriously in this topic.

There are genetics at work all over the place. The fact youre looking to grab on to that generic Sheila At Last in x, because its the only thing tangible in your mind. That fits your pigeon hole theory. Shows proper breeders, youre extremely limited in your process!

Im not going to share all my hard work discovering what I have. Which btw, is just what other successful breeders know as well. What I see in the Ethanol Water litter, I guarantee, they do to!

A tip - the relationship Top Honcho has with Droopys Sydney and his offspring. Is exactly the same reason I bred both Frieda Las Vegas and Merchant Navy! And why I saw the potential in their mother as a brood in Australia AFTER her failed litter to Sparta Maestro and she was offered for sale off the back of it!

...and there it is !

That's all I wanted to know, so thx for that, which of course begs the question, what then are you doing on the forum ?

I guess that's a question for Tony and the moderators to sort out.

Goodbye Darren you've been a total waste of my valuable time.

Or maybe youre like a cult leader, just looking to pick up recruits? So you can all bang the drums together? Instead of breed good dogs?

Stick to your guns Darren.
A lot of what you say is what a lot on here are thinking.
Hat's off to you for taking the time to comment.

Most of us gave up ages ago.

I know I received 2 that were placed in confinement upon arrival , sickest pups Ive ever seen .
Maybe if Darren had more skin in the game and knew what he was looking at it , they could have been recovered ?? But who cares hey Darren , push on and get rid of them and keep the healthiest 2 that only made the track !

Where did the Frieda thread go ? Did someone call you out on it so you had her whole thread removed , wow what an embarrassment.

Managed to get all your broods out yet mate , from the place that has an eye for detail ? Just not whelping ?

Or you still refusing to pay your account up , whens the court date to settle

This is a guy who had a fake account on here pretending to be someone else until caught out ?

Yeh Tony you keep cheering with all your app data buddies on a know sweet F all low dog you obviously know nothing about !

Go Darren erase another thread away due to your past catching up with you yet again

Im a cult follower ..? Better then a fraud that the industry laughs at !

Heres a litter soon to hit the tracks Ryan helped out with dog .

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Lets see how they go , here will be the next litter after that too due to results from the first

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All healthy and no excuses or mishaps ??? Funny that you complete amateur

P.s at now 20 months of age and broken in, pre-trained, ready to race. Another one after the fact. Why didnt you post it at mating, whelping time?

Cmon Ryan breed a litter of your own!