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Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 17 May 2017 07:51
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Show allHide all Box Greyhound Form History Comments Trainer Odds Rating Show form 1 OSHKOSH YOBBO [M]
422 3-0-2-0 Improving with every run, draw helps, go close G Dailly (Anakie) $2.40 100 Show form 2 LEKTRA FORREST [M]
5 1-0-0-0 Never out of trouble on debut, can atone, place A Dailly (Anakie) $8.00 Show form 3 ZORN BALE (NSW)[M]
8 1-0-0-0 Injured when on debut, may need time A Dailly (Anakie) $16.00 Show form 4 CORINTH BALE (NSW)[M]
5 1-0-0-0 Showed early speed in debut run, main danger A Dailly (Anakie) $6.00 Show form 5 XAVA ALLEN (NSW)[M]
6 1-0-0-0 Well bred but debut run was steady, tested A Dailly (Anakie) $14.00 Show form 6 LEKTRA STOMP [M]
8 1-0-0-0 Got knocked over in debut run, place claims. A Dailly (Anakie) $7.50 Show form 7 OSHKOSH WAYNE [M]
77733 5-0-0-2 Last two runs have been good, can threaten A Dailly (Anakie) $5.00 82 Show form 8 LEKTRA STROLL [M]
7 1-0-0-0 Better for the run on debut, must be respected A Dailly (Anakie) $10.00 Show form 9 ALLEN INCENT (NSW)[M]Res.
78 2-0-0-0 Yet to impress, wait until he shows more A Dailly (Anakie) $16.00 Show form 10 XENON BALE (NSW)[M]Res.
0-0-0-0 Bred to have high speed, watch betting moves A Dailly (Anakie) $5.00
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 17 May 2017 08:01
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and the $40.00 shot gets up lol
Martyn Empson Australia (Verified User) Posts 149 Dogs 0 / Races 3 17 May 2017 12:16
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you forgot to mention the number nominations let me see hmm 16 all daily dogs no body else bothered to nominate good luck to them
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 May 2017 04:27
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Apparently, "sport" is good when you win. However, stewards would be very interested in "Boat Races" if you can put forward some evidence.
A number of things to consider ...
1. Wheeler trainers have changed substantially over the last decade. 2. Wheeler dogs are often better than the opposition. They faded a bit a few years ago but came good again with US blood. 3. No doubt some are poor as well but we don't know the numbers. 4. SA would be on life support without Wheeler dogs. WA is also helped materially by cast-offs from the east. 5. Exactly who profited from the 40/1 maiden winner at Ballarat? 6. The Bate era was not a pleasant one but justice has been done anyway (finally). 6. Small is often beautiful but not if they simply moan and groan. 7. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that much or most of the poor breeding was due to backyard stuff that should never have happened.
I would prefer to see a wider spread of fortunes but it appears that few are up to the challenge. Why so? Perhaps because it is costly to do well?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 May 2017 08:46
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Apparently, "sport" is good when you win. However, stewards would be very interested in "Boat Races" if you can put forward some evidence.
A number of things to consider ...
1. Wheeler trainers have changed substantially over the last decade. 2. Wheeler dogs are often better than the opposition. They faded a bit a few years ago but came good again with US blood. 3. No doubt some are poor as well but we don't know the numbers. 4. SA would be on life support without Wheeler dogs. WA is also helped materially by cast-offs from the east. 5. Exactly who profited from the 40/1 maiden winner at Ballarat? 6. The Bate era was not a pleasant one but justice has been done anyway (finally). 6. Small is often beautiful but not if they simply moan and groan. 7. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that much or most of the poor breeding was due to backyard stuff that should never have happened.
I would prefer to see a wider spread of fortunes but it appears that few are up to the challenge. Why so? Perhaps because it is costly to do well?
I have no problems at all with what you have to say Bruce as you are the wiser one ...
Lets take a good look at the trainers Some owners have employed on a wage basis by these bigger opperations ..
I definitly have no problems at all with any breeder who can place every single dog they breed from now ON ....
If they can set up there own Adoption groups to help support there over breeding then good luck to them but don't you think over breeding has been a problem then you have your head up your back side and once again stop blowing smoke up the PTB back sides please because we have all had enough of this constent BULLSH1T and the PROPERGANDA is now SICKING
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 May 2017 08:57
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it is 2017 and we cannot let people make Millions from a sport that has grass roots at its base and we evolved through Courcings and today we let the Commercial aspect take over everything that was pure about our Sport and you blokes promoted winning and great those days are gone we now promote LONGEVITY ..
Once you finaly understand it is not about the FAST dogs any more then maybe those lights will be switched on by all and especailialy the PTB ...
The Punter will bet on two boodly fliies running up the wall and every Greyhound Track in Victoria are making a sh1t load of cash ...Sale. Sandown .The Meadows. Cranbourne .
Millions are now being made without even racing a dog so who cares if we have a race for 1 million or 10k race ..
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 20 May 2017 09:03
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Apparently, "sport" is good when you win. However, stewards would be very interested in "Boat Races" if you can put forward some evidence.
A number of things to consider ...
1. Wheeler trainers have changed substantially over the last decade. 2. Wheeler dogs are often better than the opposition. They faded a bit a few years ago but came good again with US blood. 3. No doubt some are poor as well but we don't know the numbers. 4. SA would be on life support without Wheeler dogs. WA is also helped materially by cast-offs from the east. 5. Exactly who profited from the 40/1 maiden winner at Ballarat? 6. The Bate era was not a pleasant one but justice has been done anyway (finally). 6. Small is often beautiful but not if they simply moan and groan. 7. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that much or most of the poor breeding was due to backyard stuff that should never have happened.
I would prefer to see a wider spread of fortunes but it appears that few are up to the challenge. Why so? Perhaps because it is costly to do well?
Point 4. SA does not rely on Wheeler dogs. If he took all his dogs out of SA tomorrow, it wouldn't make any difference.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 May 2017 09:07
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
Apparently, "sport" is good when you win. However, stewards would be very interested in "Boat Races" if you can put forward some evidence.
A number of things to consider ...
1. Wheeler trainers have changed substantially over the last decade. 2. Wheeler dogs are often better than the opposition. They faded a bit a few years ago but came good again with US blood. 3. No doubt some are poor as well but we don't know the numbers. 4. SA would be on life support without Wheeler dogs. WA is also helped materially by cast-offs from the east. 5. Exactly who profited from the 40/1 maiden winner at Ballarat? 6. The Bate era was not a pleasant one but justice has been done anyway (finally). 6. Small is often beautiful but not if they simply moan and groan. 7. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that much or most of the poor breeding was due to backyard stuff that should never have happened.
I would prefer to see a wider spread of fortunes but it appears that few are up to the challenge. Why so? Perhaps because it is costly to do well?
Point 4. SA does not rely on Wheeler dogs. If he took all his dogs out of SA tomorrow, it wouldn't make any difference.
Yes well pointed out Jamie Q ...
Bruce so you can look me in the eye and tell me that you have never heard of a BOAT RACE ...
Can anyone look me in the eye and tell me they have never heard of a BOAT RACE ...
Dont take me as a fool because i will name and shame ..and i have no problems making it ugly ..Bruce
The PTB are trying to derail all of the smaller Owner Trainers and Breeders . You use facts based on trying to get that fast dog to at least compeate with the over breeders who made MILLIONS over the past 10 years or so ...
Do i have to name people now to finaly make you undertand how wrong you are Bruce or are you willing to at least see the right and wrong here ...
SNAP.. It is not about me winning and it is about me being able to still race on ecxactly the same level as the Commercial Guys can
Take away SEEDING and make it open once again for everyone like the SILVER CHIEF used to be years ago ...and that would be a huge start to making it a level playing field again ... IMO
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 21 May 2017 05:13
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If the knockers don't care about racing for money & only care about racing for the love of the sport, then why don't they stick to Tier 3, Tab D, country race meetings???
Whinging about people & their success is an absolute cop out.
JQ...take all interstate dogs out of SA & WA & you'll have no race fields, makes me wonder why GRSA & WA Racing didn't say more re: NSW ban
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 21 May 2017 07:46
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Glenn Hatton wrote:
If the knockers don't care about racing for money & only care about racing for the love of the sport, then why don't they stick to Tier 3, Tab D, country race meetings???
Great point Glenn. That's what I've been doing for 20 years in Bundaberg. Racing for 400 bucks if I win....& the love of it.
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 21 May 2017 07:55
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
Apparently, "sport" is good when you win. However, stewards would be very interested in "Boat Races" if you can put forward some evidence.
A number of things to consider ...
1. Wheeler trainers have changed substantially over the last decade. 2. Wheeler dogs are often better than the opposition. They faded a bit a few years ago but came good again with US blood. 3. No doubt some are poor as well but we don't know the numbers. 4. SA would be on life support without Wheeler dogs. WA is also helped materially by cast-offs from the east. 5. Exactly who profited from the 40/1 maiden winner at Ballarat? 6. The Bate era was not a pleasant one but justice has been done anyway (finally). 6. Small is often beautiful but not if they simply moan and groan. 7. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that much or most of the poor breeding was due to backyard stuff that should never have happened.
I would prefer to see a wider spread of fortunes but it appears that few are up to the challenge. Why so? Perhaps because it is costly to do well?
Point 4. SA does not rely on Wheeler dogs. If he took all his dogs out of SA tomorrow, it wouldn't make any difference.
Yes well pointed out Jamie Q ...
Bruce so you can look me in the eye and tell me that you have never heard of a BOAT RACE ...
Can anyone look me in the eye and tell me they have never heard of a BOAT RACE ...
Dont take me as a fool because i will name and shame ..and i have no problems making it ugly ..Bruce
The PTB are trying to derail all of the smaller Owner Trainers and Breeders . You use facts based on trying to get that fast dog to at least compeate with the over breeders who made MILLIONS over the past 10 years or so ...
Do i have to name people now to finaly make you undertand how wrong you are Bruce or are you willing to at least see the right and wrong here ...
SNAP.. It is not about me winning and it is about me being able to still race on ecxactly the same level as the Commercial Guys can
Take away SEEDING and make it open once again for everyone like the SILVER CHIEF used to be years ago ...and that would be a huge start to making it a level playing field again ... IMO
Kevin - you are makin serious allegations. I would suggest that you report this to authorities & provide them with the evidence you said you have.
I for one have never heard of a "boat" race & don't even know that term stands for.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 21 May 2017 08:33
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Wikipedia says....
Boat race: A race with a number of non-triers which is said to be fixed for one horse to win.
Perhaps Kevin can elaborate more on his mud-slinging allegations.
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 21 May 2017 09:50
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martyn empson wrote:
you forgot to mention the number nominations let me see hmm 16 all daily dogs no body else bothered to nominate good luck to them
I think the above says it all.
"Check mate" / "Game, set and match" as far as I am concerned.
Yet some enjoy a good old conspiracy theory, clearly!
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 21 May 2017 19:55
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The only people whinging are the ones that didn't back the 40/1 winner. ;-)
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 May 2017 00:58
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No, "punters" do not bet on two flies - gamblers do and they are what the code is relying on more and more every year.
Why so? Because all the state authorities have failed to market sufficiently the worth of the breed and to design more reliable, consistent tracks. Hence the heavy overbetting on favourites by mugs and the disappearance of genuine punters over the last several years.
Incidentally, Sale's Sunday meetings are not well patronised by punters (the viewing angle is poor, too) and anyone who can make dough out of all the Cranbourne 311m races deserves a medal.
And the constant stream of short fields is not helping either. NSW, too - last night WPK had reserves for only one of 10 races.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 25 May 2017 11:37
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IS it good for the sport...???...we KNOW it's good for the Dailly's...
Howard Moshinsky USA (Verified User) Posts 886 Dogs 3 / Races 0 25 May 2017 23:56
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kevin you might want to touch bases with brian lee a/n/a greybase on american greyhound forum he seems to go along with exactly some of the interesting points you make
howard
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 May 2017 02:39
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Jamie, Perhaps but the typical SA Thursday contains at least a dozen Wheeler dogs plus an unknown number of Vic dogs transferred. That's a lot. WA is about the same although probably more transferred from the east, most of which do well there.
Note that PW has officially announced he will shut down from mid year. Whether that happens or the sons will do something else is yet to be seen.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 May 2017 04:04
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howard moshinsky wrote:
kevin you might want to touch bases with brian lee a/n/a greybase on american greyhound forum he seems to go along with exactly some of the interesting points you make
howard
Howard Things are moving forward all around the WORLD .
We finally have some very astute and educated people who are helping drive our next stage and I can say this group does not support puppy breeding and over-commercialisation of the racing Industry and these people are grassroots supporters who are now saying enough is enough and we want back our own DESTINY our own FUTURE
People who 6 months ago were saying trust in the PTB are now understanding how they are driven to try and stop the smaller Owner Trainer Breeder ...
Boat races are taking place today and we sit here saying what is a boat race and GOOGLE it and then have a good look at what is truly happening.
I am more than satisfied that now others are stepping up to continue the fight and this was my whole desire all those years ago and this is why I have attacked these people from the very first day I used SOCIAL MEDIA as the tool to help prolong our Sport not end it because of sheer wastage that is currently generated by every big commercial breeder today in Australia and around the WORLD ....
Once we take out these people then our INDUSTRY will once again flourish from the ground up like it used to be 20 odd years ago and it worked our GOTBA had 1000's of members ...
Build it and they will come,,,
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 May 2017 20:56
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Note that PW has officially announced he will shut down from mid year. Whether that happens or the sons will do something else is yet to be seen.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
