Guys the results are next to all the pups on the catalogue link now. Just bring it up and you can look at them individually by Lot number (prices in the top right of each one) or click on sale list and they're all listed there too.

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I love the Ippy Auction and have attended for years as a buyer and now also a seller and want to see it flourish. For me there's a couple of ways to improve it pretty quickly.

The first is it needs to be marketed far heavier and earlier to remind people it's coming. I've had a lot of people mention they get caught out by it each year and nearly miss cutoff dates to nominate etc (myself included).
The second is reintroduce the non catalogue option for people. While I totally understand the clubs concern that it reduces the quality of pups for sale in the catalogue the fact is that if they're non catalogued they weren't going to be for sale in the first place. For people like Bill and myself that are looking to sell but at a reasonable price they will still put their pups through the auction and it says to people "this pup is for sale at the right price" so if they don't sell it's not because they WERE NEVER for sale in the first place. Also, there will be plenty of people looking to pick up a cheap pup and hoping lightning strikes and they're the next great story of a cheapie coming good.

With this option as well I'd be jumping on the phone to the Wheelers, Hallinans etc of the world and offering options to nominate a package of pups for the auction at a certain price etc.

For me you want the race series as strong as possible to entice people to it, that will further enhance the auction side of things.

Just my two cents worth but love the Ippy Auction and really want to see it continue and get back to how strong it has been for years previous.

Cheers

The top 10 lots were
Lot 3 Fabregas x Reshuffle $11,000.00
Lot 61 Banjo Boy x Something Blue $10,000.00
Lot 8 Fabregas x Reshuffle $9,000.00
Lot 50 Fabregas x Reshuffle $7,000.00
Lot 51 Banjo Boy x Something Blue $7,000.00
Lot 31 Magic Sprite x Melody Serenade $6,000.00
Lot 41 Banjo Boy x Something Blue $5,000.00
Lot 45 Fabregas x Reshuffle $5,000.00
Lot 65 Black Magic Opal x Miss Shadow $5,000.00
Lot 70 Black Magic Opal x Miss Shadow $5,000.00

At the other end of the scale, 16 pups went for $1,500 or under on the day.

I know the pup I'd like to see win it for you mate!
:-)

you still don't get it Terry ! AMAZING !

Terry Jordan wrote:

..... Not happy don't go!......

that just doesn't cut it............he's not happy, HE DIDN'T GO !
which defeats the purpose doesn't it ?
the most important aspect is why he didn't go !

btw who told you I haven't bred a litter ? I've bred enuf litters to know what they cost, also whelped down, reared, broken in, pre trained and trained.

this has nothing to do with your perception of my lack of intelligence,expertise the T's & C's relating to the sale or about Jason or myself wanting a bargain or your other insulting rhetoric...........................its about ensuring everything is transparent at ALL costs because that's the only way this industry will survive, i.e, if the industry is seen by the public to have INTEGRITY beyond everything else.................if the industry cannot be faulted at every turn(as it is currently), then it has not only a chance at surviving but also prospering, yes prospering !

BUT let's not get too ahead of ourselves here, appears many(including you) are still having trouble with the concept.

How does a non catalogue option create an unlevel playing field? They pay their money to register for the series like the people putting pups through the auction but their intention is clear (absolute transparency) they don't wish to sell their pups, just register for the series. It cost me just on $2,500 to put my 8 pups through yesterday and they used to make it $300-$500 per pup depending on numbers to non catalogue so the net result to the club income wise is much the same.

This in turn means far less buybacks and more transparency via pups for genuine sale if the price is right which most of the Joe Average public are chasing when they attend the auction from the research I've done.

The other aspect that seems to get overlooked is the opportunity the club loses to attract a pool of pups/owners they would never see in the auction because logistically it just isn't viable to get them there. I was lucky I had a rearer in Terry Lockhart prepared to bring the pups up for me for the day because that's the sort of quality bloke he is. For many that isn't an option so even if they wanted to nominate it wasn't possible because they just couldn't make it happen. I know of a few owners down south in country NSW that would have put them through the non catalogue if it was an option but travelling them up to simply go through the motions and buy them back wasn't, particularly as a couple raced at Wenty the night before and are 8 and 10 hours away.

with greyhound Auctions in Australia they just dont seem to be able to grasp that theory , even the ready to race at bendigo auction they still got Carrots dangling even though they are getting smaller lol

i attended 13 dapto auctions , it virtually self destructed over the final few years with buy backs ,, it finally collapsed with the state of the industry

Unfortunately Kev when a system is in place where dogs must be put through an auction to qualify for a race series it removes the "sole purpose is to sell" mentality, The buying and selling of pups is just one aspect of these types of days, qualifying for the race is another which is why we see people put pups in to simply buy back, just to qualify. We can either put our head in the sand, keep complaining about it happening and have people becoming frustrated and disenchanted by it and stop attending the auction (as happened at Dapto) OR acknowledge it's something to be addressed and come up with the best solution. By allowing people to non catalogue pups it actually means that the auction is more genuine not less because chances are the dogs there are actually for sale at the right price, not there for qualification for the series.

The other option is have a puppy auction with no race series attached as Mick has mentioned, that's the only way you'll get an auction just to buy and sell.

I much prefer the Ipswich option, just think there's some things that could make it even stronger for both the race series and the pups on sale (real sale) for people.

PS. Just for the record I'm not having a dig at anyone there at all, lots of people work extremely hard to make it happen on the day from Merv to Narelle and the others in the office, Ray Fewings coming up as auctioneer, guys like Pete Wilson etc as bid spotters, the kennel attendants checking pups in and out on the day, heaps of people really working their butts off for the day to happen which is much appreciated.

Cheers

Ryan,

"pretty simple Michael........the seller puts in the pup for sale with a reserve price, if the price is not reached he gets his pup back and does not get a chance to race for the big $$$$$."

Problem 1. You have just erased a large amount of entries because the seller now has no chance of being involved in the big race. If it is a breeder selling, no big deal, but have a look at how many of this years entries weren't from the breeder. Guys like Bill Warner who bought pups to enter the auction and have a go at the big one would vanish. Two years ago there was something like 200 entries. Last year there were just over 100. This year there were 75. Next year ?, less the number you have erased...my guess=10.

Problem 2. You've just promoted cheating. Forget the Greyhound industry, because if you set the rule of every item having to meet a reserve price, humans being humans, from ANY PART OF SOCIETY, will find a way to make that price reached and a "friend" becomes the proud owner and gets a ticket to the big one. GUARANTEED!

Problem 3. The club goes broke.

If it's "pretty simple" it would have been nutted out a long long time ago...the fact is, there is NO simple or perfect solution.
That fact is now even more emphatic with the massive breeding reductions we now face.
Going forward, the number 1 consideration HAS TO BE what is going to work with the LIMITED NUMBERS we will have.
I'll make a prediction...the current form of auctions as we know it today, will be GONE in a year or two.
It's inevitable, sorry to say.
Auctions in this form have to have numbers..that's about the only simple thing about it.

INTEGRITY.
Well, Ryan, I agree with that, but like a lot of things in business, it needs to start from the top, not the bottom.
If you work that one out, we are well on the way to prosperity.

Another thing that hasn't been taken into consideration...THE CLUB.
73 lots "sold".
Average price...$3,000 @ 13.75% commission = 412 x 73 = $30,000.
73 lots @ $100 entry fee = $7,300.
$30,000 + $7,300 = 37,300.
Plus final acceptances @ 30? = $3,000.
TOTAL = 40,300.
TOTAL PRIZE MONEY = $60,000
LOSS = $19,700.

Good business.

Need a new model I reckon.

the guys not really interested in selling the dog(virtually said so himself).....is it a problem ? simple solution if there's lesser dogs there's lesser dogs, more chance for the genuine article to succeed & makes things transparent doesn't it ?
......then wait till the yr after

problem 2

wldn't be a problem if the ptb had a set rule in place for buy backs and dealt with those caught cheating as you put it, or associated with those 'cheating' heavily and equally...........makes things transparent doesn't it ?

problem 3

they go broke because they cant attract enuf interest......why aren't buyers interested, they want to get into the industry but are constantly placed second or down the line on the totem pole BY THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY or IN THE KNOW as buyers see it........that's why the industry is as it is today not only with auctions, but that's another topic.

the whole show has to be far more transparent.......as Michael Barry says "a genuine auction", that's if we want the industry to prosper and grow...........you've got to be prepared to let the new blood in and work hard to keep them there - that's the way fwd and you're wrong about it starting at the top, it needs to start with every individual within the industry, the people at the top are watching and waiting to see how the industry responds..........to the people at the top integrity is key to the industry making money, that's when they get interested otherwise they are just going to sink it, which appears to be what is happening now.

Problem 1
the guys not really interested in selling the dog(virtually said so himself).....is it a problem ? simple solution if there's lesser dogs there's lesser dogs, more chance for the genuine article to succeed & makes things transparent doesn't it ?
......then wait till the yr after

No Ryan, you aren't getting it.
Here is how it works...you are underestimating the attrition rate.

From the year when 200 went through there were 4 or 5 heats.
From the year when 100 went through there were 2 heats.
At this rate, 75 go through, how many heats.
Now, Bill and his mates don't buy pups to put through...how many heats, Ryan? One half?
Capish?

problem 2

wldn't be a problem if the ptb had a set rule in place and dealt with those caught cheating as you put it, or associated with those 'cheating' heavily and equally...........makes things transparent doesn't it ?

There can be no rule or charge if a dog is not in the name of the accused, Ryan.

problem 3

they go broke because they cant attract enuf interest......why aren't buyers interested, they want to get into the industry but are constantly placed second or down the line on the totem pole BY THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY or IN THE KNOW as buyers see it........that's why the industry is as it is today not only with auctions, but that's another topic.

the whole show has to be far more transparent.......as Michael Barry says "a genuine auction", that's if we want the industry to prosper and grow...........you've got to be prepared to let the new blood in and work hard to keep them there - that's the way fwd and you're wrong about it starting at the top, it needs to start with every individual within the industry, the people at the top are watching and waiting to see how the industry responds..........to the people at the top integrity is key to the industry making money, that's when they get interested otherwise they are just going to sink it, which appears to be what is happening now.

They need sellers to attract buyers, Ryan.

Not knocking you for trying to think of ideas but the above won't work and I'm racking my brains to think what will...time to think outside the square and attract, as you say, plenty of interest from new AND old blood to get the momentum.
It always comes back to one thing...NUMBERS and those numbers aren't being bred atm.
Big problem.

Oh, btw, you also didn't get what I said about integrity...can't expand, use your imagination.

the newbies want a shot at the cherry, give it to em, and roll the dice - it has to be totally transparent, what have you got to lose, the way you're talking its going under anyway.

- if you cant charge the 'cheats', fine - de regeister their membership and anyone associated with the purchase of the dog, surely the ptb can think of something, making it hard for ex.

Ryan, the only way I can think of to have a GENUINE auction is to have no carrot ($40,000 race) attached to it...it then just becomes a normal auction with no strings attached, which blows the whole idea of what they are trying to achieve.

I'm trying to think of a way to have a fee for all pups bred in QLD ONLY paid at litter rego that can somehow be incorporated in the auction style to make things attractive to all and alleviate the need to buy back, but I don't think it's possible,,,maybe,
Maybe the seller gets the price sold for plus an earn out of the kitty if his pup wins...don't know...brain's stopped working.
Each state might like to hold their own(state bred only) which might serve as some kind of initiative to breed in their own state...

Re cheats...how do you prove he cheated if not in his name?
Don't think you can stop buy backs but if the numbers were high, as per previous years, there will be enough genuine buys to keep everyone happy...
Keep thinking.

Go Buy a Pup in Victoria Pal, and leave us alone. Sorry forgot ALL your good dogs come from NSW & Qld my apologies

being only hts and final you cld charge a lot less, even increase say for ex $10p/pup if reg by 3mths of age; $20 p/pup if reg by 4 mths of age $40p/pup if reg by 8 mths of age

'cheats' - word usually gets around, ptb know how to handle that - start an enquiry etc., go from there.
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Terry Jordan wrote:

..... NEVER been to a Greyhound Auction, never will! .............

Been to Bendigo R2R's 3x now, I usually get invited by clients to them

Terry Jordan wrote:

........Sorry forgot ALL your good dogs come from NSW & Qld my apologies

why does everything have to be state of origin, there are other concepts, I just enjoy dog racing

Swabs - a sample test somewhere between 10-20% generally gives you a good cross section of whats going on. If those figs come back bad, further investigation may be required.

I've already answered the newbies one, no newbies the industry dies, simple as that.

GOBIS - not anymore, but there is a scheme for Vic Bred pups

Terry pups are worth what you get for them, just the same as anything else BUT my thoughts ideally, if you are to attract new people to the sport, is that there are to be no buy backs, it's the only way to be transparent or if there are buybacks they be deemed not eligible to run in the relevant auction races.