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Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 06 Jun 2017 02:53
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I see the Ipswich Auction is upon us once again with noms closing at the end of this month. Who's nominating pups for this year? Think I'll actually have some the right age to sell for a change instead only falling into buying one instead!
Rob Ingram Australia (Verified User) Posts 287 Dogs 13 / Races 0 06 Jun 2017 05:23
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Just reading the T&C. Is there no NON catalogue entries. This would be good for interstate breeders that don't want the expense of putting pups through the sale ring to buy them back.
Might also mean that pups presented for sale are actually for sale.
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 06 Jun 2017 22:49
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Been a point of contention for quite a while Rob. On one side people want more pups in the catalogue to choose from which obviously suffers with non catalogue option but on the other hand people suggest that the pups non catalogued are only going to be buybacks anyway which people don't like. It is a handy way for interstaters to nominate for the series too but as I mentioned, it's something that's been discussed at length I understand.
Been a point of contention for quite a while Rob. On one side people want more pups in the catalogue to choose from which obviously suffers with non catalogue option but on the other hand people suggest that the pups non catalogued are only going to be buybacks anyway which people don't like. It is a handy way for interstaters to nominate for the series too but as I mentioned, it's something that's been discussed at length I understand.
Cheers
Ipswich Auction catalogue on line now,93 lots.
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 12 Sep 2017 22:33
Jason Hay Australia (Verified User) Posts 321 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 04:49
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Went to the auction today all pups started at $800 opening price then went up in hundreds so $900 then $1000 then the auction decides to go up $250 at a time then $500 at a time what's up with this people are paying way more for these pups then they should be one lot was going up in thousand dollars at a time your thoughts
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 05:01
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jason hay wrote:
Went to the auction today all pups started at $800 opening price then went up in hundreds so $900 then $1000 then the auction decides to go up $250 at a time then $500 at a time what's up with this people are paying way more for these pups then they should be one lot was going up in thousand dollars at a time your thoughts
Probably buy backs?
Jason Hay Australia (Verified User) Posts 321 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 05:07
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If the public can't buy one wants the point in going I've lost interest already
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 17 Sep 2017 07:41
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Jason. I've got a pup here that missed the Auction by 3 weeks. If he was eligible, I would have paid $40,000 to buy him back. You can't blame owners on buying back their pups if they believe in them.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 08:42
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jason hay wrote:
If the public can't buy one wants the point in going I've lost interest already
Jason : You need to understand some of these Pups have already been sold once. And the owner wants a chance to win the $40k final. Around 75lots auctioned, another 18months before the Race, probably around 20-25 dogs left to fight for the cash, Due to accidents, not up to running 520mtrs, lack of form etc. Good odds compared to Dapto and Richmond auctions. Jason next auction go through the catalogue pick 1/2 dozen lots, Ring the Nominator, Breeder and ask if they are selling. In their best interests to have bidders competing for their dogs. And Vice/Versa if they are buy/backs. Or enquire when inspecting the dogs before the auction starts. And yes there is ALWAYS A BARGAIN if you are astute. Good/luck
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 09:01
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I'd be buying back any pup with only 93 lots. Doubt many pups changed hands!
the downside of a lack of pups is that the auction doesn't have much of a future unless breeding picks up.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 17 Sep 2017 09:31
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It's a conundrum. From a sellers, buyers, and clubs point of view there is no easy solution. It will get harder for the club and buyers as the breeding numbers dwindle. Someone told me that there was a fair amount of lots that didn't actual show up? That's disappointing. Unless the breeding numbers start to increase dramatically, the auction is in danger of going out the back door. Hope that doesn't happen. More numbers, more sellers, more buyers, and more love.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 10:02
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Terry Jordan wrote:
jason hay wrote:
If the public can't buy one wants the point in going I've lost interest already
Jason : You need to understand some of these Pups have already been sold once. And the owner wants a chance to win the $40k final. Around 75lots auctioned, another 18months before the Race, probably around 20-25 dogs left to fight for the cash, Due to accidents, not up to running 520mtrs, lack of form etc. Good odds compared to Dapto and Richmond auctions. Jason next auction go through the catalogue pick 1/2 dozen lots, Ring the Nominator, Breeder and ask if they are selling. In their best interests to have bidders competing for their dogs. And Vice/Versa if they are buy/backs. Or enquire when inspecting the dogs before the auction starts. And yes there is ALWAYS A BARGAIN if you are astute. Good/luck
........and this is my point about integrity........everyone says there's no solution about buybacks, but i dont think the greyhound industry gets it, from a public view point(as Jason has stated), they dont have a fair chance to acquire what he believes to be a good pup
result = yet another slap in the face for integrity in the greyhound industry
it's not Jason that needs to understand Terry, it YOU (the greyhound industry participants) who need to change their ways for the sport to prosper in the future.........the greyhound industry needs to embrace integrity for it to survive.
Jason Hay Australia (Verified User) Posts 321 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 10:31
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How can you compete against owners bidding on there dog against you it's a fast the hole concept and me and the boys have givin it the arse good luck to the owners and there dogs Ipswich puppy auction whatta joke does the magic millions sales work like that
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 17 Sep 2017 11:26
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jason hay wrote:
How can you compete against owners bidding on there dog against you it's a fast the hole concept and me and the boys have givin it the arse good luck to the owners and there dogs Ipswich puppy auction whatta joke does the magic millions sales work like that
Agree. When the numbers are down, the buybacks are greater, the genuine sales are fewer, and the question is...Why the hell would someone go there to buy what some may describe as the dregs. Jason, when the numbers were up and the non-catalogue paid entries were made, there were still plenty of good pups for genuine sale...now there isn't. So, what is the answer? I'm buggered if I can work one out but maybe you or someone else might have a good idea to put forward.
Ryan,(me old mate) Quote..."but i dont think the greyhound industry gets it, from a public view point(as Jason has stated), they dont have a fair chance to acquire what he believes to be a good pup
result = yet another slap in the face for integrity in the greyhound industry" Agree, they don't have a fair chance. So, offer an answer to the problem. What do you think is a way to improve the "integrity" with the current situation with breeding?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 15:53
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pretty simple Michael........the seller puts in the pup for sale with a reserve price, if the price is not reached he gets his pup back and does not get a chance to race for the big $$$$$
anyone caught buying back their own pup will be de registered for at least 12 months.
to add an incentive to breeders who offer the pups for sale a large bonus to the winning breeder, which may be able to be incorporated with other auction sales costs (if the club cant afford to pay a decent bonus)
point is Michael, everything and i mean everything related to greyhound racing has to be totally transparent to the public/newcomers, and has to be followed thru by the whole industry with dire consequences for those that dont.......that I believe is what will get the greyhound industry back on it's feet. jmo.
these auctions/rtr sales etc are a great idea by the clubs........they just need to be tweaked a little.
Bill Warner Australia (Verified User) Posts 320 Dogs 20 / Races 384 17 Sep 2017 19:15
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Every year this ridiculous argument starts.
I put 2 pups through this year. I paid over $3k each for them at 3 months. They are now 10 months and the bidding stalled at $4k on each of them. Does any sane person think I would be interested in selling at that price? Of course I bought them back. The bidding would have to go to $8k to interest me in selling. I'm there to make a profit if I can.
There were plenty of pups sold. I went with 2 and came home with 4. Buyers need to be realistic about what they will have to pay.
There is no comparison with the thoroughbreds. They have plenty of alternative strategies they use at their sales.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2017 21:20
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Ryan I thought you were intelligent! Read the terms & conditions relating to the sale! Not happy don't go! EVERYONE has a different view point on the worth of a pup? If Jason or yourself want a bargain, there are plenty of giveaways in the classifieds. or better still BREED a litter! and start adding up the costs. No one Nominating pups, are out to rip anyone off. The same system works at both Dapto & Richmond. Your never please everyone.
BTW Jason do you understand that buy/backs pay 13.75% commission? That's $137.50 per $1000, $100 entry, $100 final payment
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
