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Johnathon Campbell
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A quick question.
In WA the stewards will not let you keep dogs on a property unless it has council approval and a set amount of dogs that can be kept.
In NSW I find greyhound propertys with no license but the owners say that its ok its not a problem?
Is there a rule or can you train or rear on a property without council approval and the racing body will except it?

Thanks in advance.



Kevin Wright
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22 Jan 2018 21:45


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Johnathon campbell wrote:

A quick question.
In WA the stewards will not let you keep dogs on a property unless it has council approval and a set amount of dogs that can be kept.
In NSW I find greyhound propertys with no license but the owners say that its ok its not a problem?
Is there a rule or can you train or rear on a property without council approval and the racing body will except it?

Thanks in advance.


you got a dislike already . Nice work

I would not purchase any property without a council written agreement or permit .....
Many shires now are refusing many permits in all states and remember many who sit on council seats are Anti racing but they have no problems
with Hunting or racing whippets and other breeds of dogs .....for a hobby...

No permit no future ...


Michael Barry
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23 Jan 2018 03:53


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Johnathon campbell wrote:

A quick question.
In WA the stewards will not let you keep dogs on a property unless it has council approval and a set amount of dogs that can be kept.
In NSW I find greyhound propertys with no license but the owners say that its ok its not a problem?
Is there a rule or can you train or rear on a property without council approval and the racing body will except it?

Thanks in advance.


council and your neighbors will decide if your property gets a permit to keep greyhounds ,

buying a property to keep them with out a council permit , would be the same as buying it without a title , a recipe for disaster for the said purchaser ,

if you are hell bent on a property that hasnt got one ,,, make the sale subject to obtaining a permit in a reasonable amount of time , that would be more than six months ,

not many vendors would jump at that idea , but could save you some grief ,,

here in vic they tried to cut council out of the process , just isnt happening ,
you have to have your council control things in an orderly fashion otherwise we would be returning to the jungle lol

and dont forget your neighbors have Rights whether you like them are not , which i found out recently when i got my permit for my new place ,


Noel Evans
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23 Jan 2018 07:27


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It's hard in Queensland as council permits are not transferable. What might have been ok 20 years ago are now requiring environmental studies be done. That ranges from $5000 to $10000 with no guarantee that you will get a kennel licence.




Robynne Black
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23 Jan 2018 08:40


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noel evans wrote:

It's hard in Queensland as council permits are not transferable. What might have been ok 20 years ago are now requiring environmental studies be done. That ranges from $5000 to $10000 with no guarantee that you will get a kennel licence.

Some permits are transferable - you need to take the RP Number in to each council and check which license was obtained.
I have a fully transferable license at my place in Townsville.
I am of the understanding that in the near ? future you will only be allowed to train dogs if you have a license for the amount of dogs you have.
NSW Dog Laws have always been different as last time I checked if you can prove you provide a proper lifestyle and housing on a residential block you can have a larger number of dogs - ( a show friend had a 15 dog license on a residential block).

Qld Laws are going mad even in the rural areas...





Johnathon Campbell
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23 Jan 2018 19:36


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noel evans wrote:

It's hard in Queensland as council permits are not transferable. What might have been ok 20 years ago are now requiring environmental studies be done. That ranges from $5000 to $10000 with no guarantee that you will get a kennel licence.

Im looking at a property tomorrow in QLD that has council approved kennel blocks BUT if I buy it I must reapply to keep dogs and the council have already told me I must SOUND BARRIER my property if I want greyhounds. Geez the place had dogs on it but now I must SOUND BARRIER it because its a greyhound.



Mark Schlegel
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23 Jan 2018 23:46


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Johnathon campbell wrote:

noel evans wrote:

It's hard in Queensland as council permits are not transferable. What might have been ok 20 years ago are now requiring environmental studies be done. That ranges from $5000 to $10000 with no guarantee that you will get a kennel licence.

Im looking at a property tomorrow in QLD that has council approved kennel blocks BUT if I buy it I must reapply to keep dogs and the council have already told me I must SOUND BARRIER my property if I want greyhounds. Geez the place had dogs on it but now I must SOUND BARRIER it because its a greyhound.


Depending on what the kennel blocks are made from, you might find they classify as "sound blocked" already.
This is standard practice now to bring old permits up to current specs.



Michael Barry
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24 Jan 2018 00:43


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Johnathon campbell wrote:

noel evans wrote:

It's hard in Queensland as council permits are not transferable. What might have been ok 20 years ago are now requiring environmental studies be done. That ranges from $5000 to $10000 with no guarantee that you will get a kennel licence.

Im looking at a property tomorrow in QLD that has council approved kennel blocks BUT if I buy it I must reapply to keep dogs and the council have already told me I must SOUND BARRIER my property if I want greyhounds. Geez the place had dogs on it but now I must SOUND BARRIER it because its a greyhound.


sound proofing/barrier your kennels is a very different matter from soundproofing/barrier your property you need to get clarification of whats required , and never go too council to ask questions , get all that done by a town planner , the best money you will ever spend ,



Johnathon Campbell
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24 Jan 2018 07:27


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7 dislikes for asking a question lol only in greyhounds.


Kevin Martin
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24 Jan 2018 07:49


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Hi Johnathon Does Data Know who putting Dislikes up if not the persons need to take a BEX must be a Pain IN the A?



Johnathon Campbell
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24 Jan 2018 08:38


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Its ok Kevin I find it amusing but not surprised.


Noel Evans
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24 Jan 2018 20:38


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If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.


Michael Barry
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24 Jan 2018 21:56


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noel evans wrote:

If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.


they will clamp down on them NOEL dont worry about that ,,,
here in VIC they just waiting on this re drafted COP to come into effect and that will put an end to many participants

its all about making it harder or nearly impossible for a lot to operate ,, but yet preaching how they are there to help lol



Dan Hollywood
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09 Feb 2018 00:16


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noel evans wrote:

If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.

Noel ask your council, no demand that your councils provides you with the lawful document which gives them authority to tell you what you can and cannot do on your own land. You know what, they wont be able to produce it?


Michael Barry
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09 Feb 2018 02:22


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Dan Hollywood wrote:

noel evans wrote:

If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.

Noel ask your council, no demand that your councils provides you with the lawful document which gives them authority to tell you what you can and cannot do on your own land. You know what, they wont be able to produce it?


Probably not Dan but they will still decide what you do on your own land . And I'm all in favour of some sort of control on what can and what can't be done on your own land .
I have just gone through the planning process here in vic for the third time two different properties same council.
It was time consuming and costly I was successful on all occasions with the usual conditions on the planning permit

When I say I. I actually mean my town planner whom I hired to do all applications
Council have a different attitude when they have to deal with professionals.

In my building and development business over some 35 years I have dealth with a lot of councils wheather I like it or not they are there to do a job and look after all rate payers interests , not just the one applying for a permit



Dan Hollywood
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09 Feb 2018 02:33


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I agree Michael, some sort of control would be ok (Common Law), however Australia is the most regulated and legislated country on the planet and its all to do with $$$$, like you say its time consuming and costly. Still they have no authority and will see yet another referendum in the near future for councils to receive constitutional recognition and the younger generation of today will vote for it. Then we'll see major changes for the worse.


Ross Farmer
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09 Feb 2018 11:39


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Michael Barry wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

noel evans wrote:

If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.

Noel ask your council, no demand that your councils provides you with the lawful document which gives them authority to tell you what you can and cannot do on your own land. You know what, they wont be able to produce it?


Probably not Dan but they will still decide what you do on your own land . And I'm all in favour of some sort of control on what can and what can't be done on your own land .
I have just gone through the planning process here in vic for the third time two different properties same council.
It was time consuming and costly I was successful on all occasions with the usual conditions on the planning permit

When I say I. I actually mean my town planner whom I hired to do all applications
Council have a different attitude when they have to deal with professionals.

In my building and development business over some 35 years I have dealth with a lot of councils wheather I like it or not they are there to do a job and look after all rate payers interests , not just the one applying for a permit

The rules in Victoria changed in late 2017, where standard rules for greyhound properties were implemented for all councils. Legislation was almost ready to go before the last change of government but obviously was low on the priority scale. We have to thank Robert Britton for his efforts in getting movement on this.

Basically, if the criteria are met, no objection can be made. If a criterion is not met, any objection must be in respect of that criterion.

The link follows:
EXTERNAL LINK
And to answer one earlier question, the possibility of Existing Use permits should be investigated. The situation on these will vary state to state.

I also understand that GRV will no longer be reporting permit breaches to councils.


Michael Barry
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09 Feb 2018 22:02


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Ross Farmer wrote:

Michael Barry wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

noel evans wrote:

If it is in the Ipswich Shire Council you are in trouble. New rulings are, you can have a 15 dog permit for greyhounds or other breeds as long as you don't race or breed them. If you have over 4 greyhounds that you intend to race or breed you need a kennel licence.

Design assessment for kennel licence $375 Kennel licence $740 if you meet all the requirements. The council will do all the sound testing and environmental studies for $5,700. Kennels have to have septic tanks. Kennels have to be 50m from each boundary.

If ever they enforce these requirements there would only be a handful of properties able to operate.

Noel ask your council, no demand that your councils provides you with the lawful document which gives them authority to tell you what you can and cannot do on your own land. You know what, they wont be able to produce it?


Probably not Dan but they will still decide what you do on your own land . And I'm all in favour of some sort of control on what can and what can't be done on your own land .
I have just gone through the planning process here in vic for the third time two different properties same council.
It was time consuming and costly I was successful on all occasions with the usual conditions on the planning permit

When I say I. I actually mean my town planner whom I hired to do all applications
Council have a different attitude when they have to deal with professionals.

In my building and development business over some 35 years I have dealth with a lot of councils wheather I like it or not they are there to do a job and look after all rate payers interests , not just the one applying for a permit

The rules in Victoria changed in late 2017, where standard rules for greyhound properties were implemented for all councils. Legislation was almost ready to go before the last change of government but obviously was low on the priority scale. We have to thank Robert Britton for his efforts in getting movement on this.

Basically, if the criteria are met, no objection can be made. If a criterion is not met, any objection must be in respect of that criterion.

The link follows:
EXTERNAL LINK
And to answer one earlier question, the possibility of Existing Use permits should be investigated. The situation on these will vary state to state.

I also understand that GRV will no longer be reporting permit breaches to councils.


the council have the final say, they are the ones issuing the permits ,

the criteria in that act isnt that easy to comply with unless you are on a large property and miles from no where ,
to get the 500metre clearance from the next property would be all most impossible in most residential areas , then you have the set backs to contend will ,

so in most instances to get a permit you will have to go through the council procedure ,

we are in the country in a farming zone ,, and we would not be able to meet the criteria in that act ,
anyway we went through the council and obtained all relevant permits,

when the new code of practice comes into effect in VIC in coming months, the number one requirement will be that the property where your dogs are kept , has all current permits no ifs no buts ,

welfare and compliance have been told not to worry too much about these things until the new act is implemented when it is look out , lots of people will be removed from the industry because they wont be able to afford to comply ,

my place is two years old when built it complied with and exceeded the current requirements at the time ,

if it doesnt comply with the new code i wont be spending any more money on the place , ill simply sell up and move on ,
there is a limit to what one can spend just to keep a few greyhounds ,

people around here have 10/20/30 hunting dogs/cattle dogs/sheep dogs tied to trees no one is bothering them ,

the other day i was stopped at the lights next to a b double crammed full of sheep , three dogs in a metal box it was 42 degrees no one was bothering them ,


Robert Conway
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people should make a better effort to read the new property rules and stop putting up rubbish that is to scare people.
The heading page on the new rules sais does not apply to existing property. sort of not mentioned in the club to club promos.
Read it properly.


Michael Barry
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09 Feb 2018 22:38


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robert conway wrote:

people should make a better effort to read the new property rules and stop putting up rubbish that is to scare people.
The heading page on the new rules sais does not apply to existing property. sort of not mentioned in the club to club promos.
Read it properly.

Robert. im talking mainly about the new code of practice
most would know the new planning scheme only applies to new applicants
A facility with an existing permit may continue to operate in accordance with the permit without having to obtain a new permit or comply with the new requirements.

the full story can be read here
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