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Ross Farmer Australia (Verified User) Posts 208 Dogs 0 / Races 1 09 Feb 2018 22:48
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Hopefully it was not me doing any scaring.
The thread was on permits, and my post was just pointing out new rules for these.
So to clarify, the new greyhound property rules apply to new permit applications, and are not retrospectively applied from a compliance perspective by Councils.
This is unlike the GRV approach to property inspections where a newer code was/is applied to existing properties (incorrectly in my opinion).
Johnathon Campbell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4635 Dogs 5 / Races 2 10 Feb 2018 00:21
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I just returned from one month away looking at propertys and speaking with councils. What we learnt was the words Shell be right will most probably back fire down the track. The only safe way for us is to buy a property away from sight and hearing and go through the lengthy and expensive process of applying to council using professional representation on our behalf. Or get out of dogs and buy 20 horses that can run on any property just about anywhere and know we will have no problems at all from a council or neighbours etc.
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 10 Feb 2018 01:00
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Johnathon campbell wrote:
I just returned from one month away looking at propertys and speaking with councils. What we learnt was the words Shell be right will most probably back fire down the track. The only safe way for us is to buy a property away from sight and hearing and go through the lengthy and expensive process of applying to council using professional representation on our behalf. Or get out of dogs and buy 20 horses that can run on any property just about anywhere and know we will have no problems at all from a council or neighbours etc.
So are all council's similar with costs Jonathon? I guess they all baulked when you mentioned the word 'greyhound' :) I think you're wise to go about it the correct way.......so no drama's down the track.
Which area's did you like best?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Feb 2018 02:46
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I think Johnathon liked Lismore the best Rick.
Not sure if I mentioned this before John but Lismore has plenty of hills, snakes, Bongo-vans 'n' hippy's...You can even practice your snorkeling as the place never runs outta water, apparently.
Johnathon Campbell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4635 Dogs 5 / Races 2 10 Feb 2018 12:04
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Johnathon campbell wrote:
I just returned from one month away looking at propertys and speaking with councils. What we learnt was the words Shell be right will most probably back fire down the track. The only safe way for us is to buy a property away from sight and hearing and go through the lengthy and expensive process of applying to council using professional representation on our behalf. Or get out of dogs and buy 20 horses that can run on any property just about anywhere and know we will have no problems at all from a council or neighbours etc.
So are all council's similar with costs Jonathon? I guess they all baulked when you mentioned the word 'greyhound' :) I think you're wise to go about it the correct way.......so no drama's down the track.
Which area's did you like best?
Ricky we never talked costs but we spoke with many councils on our way and it was going to be expensive no matter which way we looked at it. Steve is right we liked the Lismore area particularly Kyogle, and as Steve knows there are hills, hippies. Water a lot of water but the only place we saw Banjos was at Bundaberg. We dont want to train or rear for people only do our own dogs and the cost of that alone will not be cheap but if its legal we will have more confidence.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Feb 2018 00:15
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Johnathon campbell wrote:
Ricki Hassall wrote:
Johnathon campbell wrote:
I just returned from one month away looking at propertys and speaking with councils. What we learnt was the words Shell be right will most probably back fire down the track. The only safe way for us is to buy a property away from sight and hearing and go through the lengthy and expensive process of applying to council using professional representation on our behalf. Or get out of dogs and buy 20 horses that can run on any property just about anywhere and know we will have no problems at all from a council or neighbours etc.
So are all council's similar with costs Jonathon? I guess they all baulked when you mentioned the word 'greyhound' :) I think you're wise to go about it the correct way.......so no drama's down the track.
Which area's did you like best?
Ricky we never talked costs but we spoke with many councils on our way and it was going to be expensive no matter which way we looked at it. Steve is right we liked the Lismore area particularly Kyogle, and as Steve knows there are hills, hippies. Water a lot of water but the only place we saw Banjos was at Bundaberg. We dont want to train or rear for people only do our own dogs and the cost of that alone will not be cheap but if its legal we will have more confidence.
I sent you a PM Johno, to check out! Good luck with your search
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 20 Feb 2018 21:17
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This is a worry........
SOUTH-EAST Queensland greyhound trainers have been left fearful and confused as the Lockyer Valley Regional Council have launched a crackdown on the keeping of unregistered dogs which could force dozens of trainers out of the industry. The Council has recently com- menced an approved selective inspec- tion program across several areas, including the industry-dense suburb of Churchable, to identify properties where unregistered dogs are being kept. The problem facing many grey- hound participants in the area is that their properties are not registered with one trainer telling Austral- ian Racing Greyhound it was his understanding they did not need a kennel permit through the council as Churchable has always been a desig- nated greyhound area. Under the Animal Management (Cats and Dogs) Act 2008 the council can impose an on the spot infringe- ment of two penalty units for each dog which is not registered with the Local Government in accordance with the act. The current value of such an infringement is $252. For all registered kennel proper- ties, it will cost $12 to register each dog, while those without a licence will be forced to pay a whopping $120 per dog, each year. The situation could financially crip ple some participants whose proper- ties arent licenced as kennels as they are now faced with huge registration costs for their large scale operations. One Churchable trainer who didnt wish to be named said he received a vis- it from a council worker a fortnight ago who informed him he was only allowed to keep four dogs on his property. Because he has more than a dozen greyhounds he was given three days notice to comply with the councils requirements. As he is considered a hobbyist, he was told to licence four of his dogs and then apply for an excess animals permit which is for people with five dogs up to and including 25 dogs. The excess animals permit has a lodgement fee of $325, on top of the $120 registration fee per dog. Once the permit is granted there is an ad- ditional licence fee of $110, plus $120 for each additional greyhound on top of the original four. The participant we spoke to has 13 greyhounds in his care, meaning he has to come up with $1,990 to reg- ister his property and dogs up until the end of the financial year. In four months time each dog will then have to have their registrations renewed at $120 each. Its a struggle and it will be a struggle for the majority of people, the participant said. I feel absolutely blind-sided by it all. Its unfortunate its happened just after the industry was given a glim- mer of hope when our prize money levels were increased. For those who are deemed to keep their dogs on a commercial basis they need a kennel permit approved for their property. The kennel licences are for six dogs up to and including 100 dogs, with the application fee alone being $550. A kennel permit can only be applied for once a material change of use application has been applied for and approved and additional approvals relating to the infrastructure needed in order to keep an excessive number of animals have also been sought. Prominent trainer Steven Scott has lived in Churchable just over six months and is in the process of obtaining a kennel licence for his property, but said the new crackdown could end some of the larger kennels who do not have a council permit. We were told it was a dog area when we moved here so we wouldnt really need a permit, but the bloke next to us has a 100 dog licence so we decided to get one ourselves if you get a licence you know there is no dramas, Scott said. I dont think too many properties out here have licences though so its going to be a lot of money for people. Its a big hit. Another Churchable trainer, Mi- chael Geraghty, said the costs will be too much to bear for a lot of trainers and he fears it will force even more people out of the dog game. This is the last thing this industry needs there have been more than 200 people who havent renewed their licences over the past couple of years, he said. You can double that with this alone so something has to be done. To me this is the straw which will break many camels backs. This will financially cripple a lot of people. There will be an exodus from the industry. A statement from the Lockyer Val- ley Council stressed that it is not just greyhound trainers which are being targeted and urged participants to contact the Council to discuss their individual situations. Since 29 January 2018, Council is conducting its dog registration survey in the Churchable area and is preparing to commence in the Spring Creek area. A number of properties have been identified as housing un-registered dogs which also require approvals from Council for the keeping of more than the allowable number of dogs. A number of dog owners/ train- ers have already been working with Council to achieve compliance with the requirements of Council and the Animal Management (Cats and Dogs) Act 2008 and Council encourages all owners/keepers/trainers of dogs to contact Council and discuss their indi- vidual concerns as soon as possible. Australian Racing Greyhound contacted Racing Queensland for its comment on whether it planned to support participants, however they did not respond to our requests.
(Article courtesy of "Australian Greyhound Racing News' (Kat Ernst)
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 20 Feb 2018 21:41
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
This is a worry........
SOUTH-EAST Queensland greyhound trainers have been left fearful and confused as the Lockyer Valley Regional Council have launched a crackdown on the keeping of unregistered dogs which could force dozens of trainers out of the industry. The Council has recently com- menced an approved selective inspec- tion program across several areas, including the industry-dense suburb of Churchable, to identify properties where unregistered dogs are being kept. The problem facing many grey- hound participants in the area is that their properties are not registered with one trainer telling Austral- ian Racing Greyhound it was his understanding they did not need a kennel permit through the council as Churchable has always been a desig- nated greyhound area. Under the Animal Management (Cats and Dogs) Act 2008 the council can impose an on the spot infringe- ment of two penalty units for each dog which is not registered with the Local Government in accordance with the act. The current value of such an infringement is $252. For all registered kennel proper- ties, it will cost $12 to register each dog, while those without a licence will be forced to pay a whopping $120 per dog, each year. The situation could financially crip ple some participants whose proper- ties arent licenced as kennels as they are now faced with huge registration costs for their large scale operations. One Churchable trainer who didnt wish to be named said he received a vis- it from a council worker a fortnight ago who informed him he was only allowed to keep four dogs on his property. Because he has more than a dozen greyhounds he was given three days notice to comply with the councils requirements. As he is considered a hobbyist, he was told to licence four of his dogs and then apply for an excess animals permit which is for people with five dogs up to and including 25 dogs. The excess animals permit has a lodgement fee of $325, on top of the $120 registration fee per dog. Once the permit is granted there is an ad- ditional licence fee of $110, plus $120 for each additional greyhound on top of the original four. The participant we spoke to has 13 greyhounds in his care, meaning he has to come up with $1,990 to reg- ister his property and dogs up until the end of the financial year. In four months time each dog will then have to have their registrations renewed at $120 each. Its a struggle and it will be a struggle for the majority of people, the participant said. I feel absolutely blind-sided by it all. Its unfortunate its happened just after the industry was given a glim- mer of hope when our prize money levels were increased. For those who are deemed to keep their dogs on a commercial basis they need a kennel permit approved for their property. The kennel licences are for six dogs up to and including 100 dogs, with the application fee alone being $550. A kennel permit can only be applied for once a material change of use application has been applied for and approved and additional approvals relating to the infrastructure needed in order to keep an excessive number of animals have also been sought. Prominent trainer Steven Scott has lived in Churchable just over six months and is in the process of obtaining a kennel licence for his property, but said the new crackdown could end some of the larger kennels who do not have a council permit. We were told it was a dog area when we moved here so we wouldnt really need a permit, but the bloke next to us has a 100 dog licence so we decided to get one ourselves if you get a licence you know there is no dramas, Scott said. I dont think too many properties out here have licences though so its going to be a lot of money for people. Its a big hit. Another Churchable trainer, Mi- chael Geraghty, said the costs will be too much to bear for a lot of trainers and he fears it will force even more people out of the dog game. This is the last thing this industry needs there have been more than 200 people who havent renewed their licences over the past couple of years, he said. You can double that with this alone so something has to be done. To me this is the straw which will break many camels backs. This will financially cripple a lot of people. There will be an exodus from the industry. A statement from the Lockyer Val- ley Council stressed that it is not just greyhound trainers which are being targeted and urged participants to contact the Council to discuss their individual situations. Since 29 January 2018, Council is conducting its dog registration survey in the Churchable area and is preparing to commence in the Spring Creek area. A number of properties have been identified as housing un-registered dogs which also require approvals from Council for the keeping of more than the allowable number of dogs. A number of dog owners/ train- ers have already been working with Council to achieve compliance with the requirements of Council and the Animal Management (Cats and Dogs) Act 2008 and Council encourages all owners/keepers/trainers of dogs to contact Council and discuss their indi- vidual concerns as soon as possible. Australian Racing Greyhound contacted Racing Queensland for its comment on whether it planned to support participants, however they did not respond to our requests.
(Article courtesy of "Australian Greyhound Racing News' (Kat Ernst)
shouldnt bother anyone who has done the Right thing and obtained all the necessary permits ,
the same thing will be happening here in vic , once the code of practice is enforced later in the year
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Feb 2018 02:10
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Why cant Greyhounds be registered as "Working Dogs" for free, same as Cattle/dogs. Will GA return monies for registering Greyhounds "Names"? Greyhounds are already Micro/chipped and registered with the State Racing Authority! Go to Council meetings and demand a fair go. Might need to get disruptive, more to this than meets the eye. Where's Archie?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 21 Feb 2018 03:39
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Question.
If I was to buy (in Qld) a licensed BOARDING KENNEL that was licensed for say up to 40 dogs & cats...& turned it into a GREYHOUNDS set up, why do I have to go through council again to keep that 40 dog license again when it already exist?
The answer is because they are a WORKING DOGS.
Could be a loop-hole Mickey G.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 21 Feb 2018 21:06
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steven martin wrote:
Question.
If I was to buy (in Qld) a licensed BOARDING KENNEL that was licensed for say up to 40 dogs & cats...& turned it into a GREYHOUNDS set up, why do I have to go through council again to keep that 40 dog license again when it already exist?
The answer is because they are a WORKING DOGS.
Could be a loop-hole Mickey G.
Stevo, as I understand it, no dog license in the Lockyer Valley shire is transferable. The point I was trying to make in that article is that there are many here in this region who have had enough and some are very big operators. I know of 3 who have over 50, 80, and 100 and if the costs involved to comply are too much they are out...that's just THREE. There will be a Tsunami effect and on top of the already 60% reduction in breeding, we are in big trouble. No-one should underestimate that. Can't say too much more ATM...more to come.
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 22 Feb 2018 00:09
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Greyhound registration with councils is a bit rich imho. We register our greyhounds from birth and pay fee's to QRIC......for the council to then put their hands out is ridiculous. Its a totally different situation to domestic dogs.
After all.... you don't register your car with Qld main roads.....then have to pay the council further fee's.
Its double dipping.
Sure we probably need to pay a fee to have a permit for 'x' amount of greyhounds.....but it needs to be fair and reasonable.
One would think that a sensible solution can be reached without causing too much pain.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Feb 2018 01:21
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Its just a Hassle lol.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Feb 2018 01:22
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Greyhound registration with councils is a bit rich imho. We register our greyhounds from birth and pay fee's to QRIC......for the council to then put their hands out is ridiculous. Its a totally different situation to domestic dogs.
After all.... you don't register your car with Qld main roads.....then have to pay the council further fee's.
Its double dipping.
Sure we probably need to pay a fee to have a permit for 'x' amount of greyhounds.....but it needs to be fair and reasonable.
One would think that a sensible solution can be reached without causing too much pain.
Ricki: If you have a Greyhound Property, the dogs don't leave your property unless Transported in a Vehicle to race or trial. Trainers have Paddocks, Straight Tracks, Walking Machines, Emptying out yards etc. No impost to Councils or rate/payers. Certainly Double dipping in this scenario. How many dogs/Cats walking the streets in the Lockyer Valley Council, without being DESEXED, MICRO/CHIPPED, VACCINATED, or REGISTERED? If I had to pay for 100 dogs, i'd be demanding they SUPPLY A FULLY FENCED EXERCISE COMPOUND, and maintained properly, value for your hard earned bucks!
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 22 Feb 2018 11:40
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Mark Staines wrote:
Its just a Hassle lol.
With a surname like 'Staines'.......I'd be carefull Mark!.....LOL
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Feb 2018 19:38
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Its just a Hassle lol.
With a surname like 'Staines'.......I'd be carefull Mark!.....LOL
Hahahahah ..Classic
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Feb 2018 20:16
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Its just a Hassle lol.
With a surname like 'Staines'.......I'd be carefull Mark!.....LOL
Nickname......Skidmarks!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Feb 2018 23:58
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Some people have a sense of humour ?????
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 23 Feb 2018 04:32
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All taken in good humour my end Mark.....hence the 'lol'
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 23 Feb 2018 06:03
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
All taken in good humour my end Mark.....hence the 'lol'