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Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Feb 2018 07:32
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Try up to $22500 with no guarantee. Advice was to employ the services of a town planner.Then told that all the bullshit of requiring Sound acoustic tests, newspaper notices etc. Then on top of this told that it would be unlikely to be accepted. Looking upwards of $40000 just to be able to mind my own business.
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 23 Feb 2018 08:17
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Darren Johnstone wrote:
Try up to $22500 with no guarantee. Advice was to employ the services of a town planner.Then told that all the bullshit of requiring Sound acoustic tests, newspaper notices etc. Then on top of this told that it would be unlikely to be accepted. Looking upwards of $40000 just to be able to mind my own business.
Wow that seems over the top Darren.......just to ask basically. Which council was this with ?
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7404 Dogs 26 / Races 9 23 Feb 2018 22:54
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my recent costs to obtain a permit to keep greyhounds in VIC
detailed plans to scale etc noting materials to be used in construction/soundproofing etc $6500 soil testing $600 land capability study $1800 council application fee $350 engineering in regards to drainage etc $3000
engagement of a professional town planner to handle the application and answer all the bullshit questions asked by council, attend the council meeting address the councilors concerns, address one objection $4500
time frame in total was 8 months permit was granted with the usual conditions, basically the whole thing was quite easy , the complex was built inspected and now operating
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 24 Feb 2018 02:56
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Michael Barry wrote:
my recent costs to obtain a permit to keep greyhounds in VIC
detailed plans to scale etc noting materials to be used in construction/soundproofing etc $6500 soil testing $600 land capability study $1800 council application fee $350 engineering in regards to drainage etc $3000
engagement of a professional town planner to handle the application and answer all the bullshit questions asked by council, attend the council meeting address the councilors concerns, address one objection $4500
time frame in total was 8 months permit was granted with the usual conditions, basically the whole thing was quite easy , the complex was built inspected and now operating
So the key is to employ a professional town planner independent from the council town planner Mick?
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7404 Dogs 26 / Races 9 24 Feb 2018 03:31
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
my recent costs to obtain a permit to keep greyhounds in VIC
detailed plans to scale etc noting materials to be used in construction/soundproofing etc $6500 soil testing $600 land capability study $1800 council application fee $350 engineering in regards to drainage etc $3000
engagement of a professional town planner to handle the application and answer all the bullshit questions asked by council, attend the council meeting address the councilors concerns, address one objection $4500
time frame in total was 8 months permit was granted with the usual conditions, basically the whole thing was quite easy , the complex was built inspected and now operating
So the key is to employ a professional town planner independent from the council town planner Mick?
hi ricki, yes step one is a professionally prepared application , when council receives that , they know you mean business ,
gone are the days when you could have approached council with something drawn on the back of a cigarette box , and it would have been approved ,
its complex these days and your best chance of getting your permit is with a good independent town planner handling your application ,
he/she will have done their homework and know all the rules within the local planning scheme and will prepare your application accordingly, and never buy a property hoping to get a permit later because you may not get one , remember all neighbors are not nice people lol and they will have a fair say on whether you get your permit or not
i will say my costs are mainly mates rates, as i have been building and developing for nearly 40 years ,
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 24 Feb 2018 08:25
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Thanks Mick.
One final question please......does the cost vary between a 10 dog Licence......and a 50 dog Licence?
Thanks in advance :)
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Feb 2018 08:35
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Scenic Rim Council in Qld. Because it is Rural "zoned for Agricultural it falls under 'Intensive Animal Husbandry'. I am on 27 acres with a 235 m frontage & just over 400 m depth. Closest neighbour is 200 m & the other 3 would vary between 300 m to 1 km away. Two boundaries are farmed with crops & neighbours would be 600-700 metres up to 1 km away. Dirt road with a dead end so only 6 properties use the road. But I would have to do sound tests etc. We don't even get a rubbish collection. But here is the joke.
Council require a sealed road.
Me: Sealed Road Access. The road to our property is serviced by a gravel road. Acceptable by council for everyday access for our access. Does this clause therefore make it unlikely that our application would be refused?
Council: A sealed road access is a probable solution. If you believe that you do not meet that, you will need to address the Specific Outcome (see below). Council may request/condition the road or access be built to a certain standard.
Development approval costs $22744 to lodge. No Guarantees. Kennels have to be 200 m away from existing neighbour & 100 m away from the farmed side (non neighbour). Total 300 metres when my frontage is 235 metres.
Just bullshit.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 24 Feb 2018 08:54
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That's just a load of duck poo Darren & why MOST don't say a thing & simply go for the Hush Hush approach...Because before you even try to do the right thing, you've got BUCKLEY'S.
I approached the Council a couple of years ago about putting up a "Besser-Block-Wall". I asked them about requirements on "Wall-Heights" etc. Was told if I built it higher then "1 metre" I would have to go through council & it would cost me $15 per metre. I built it to a height of 90mm.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7404 Dogs 26 / Races 9 24 Feb 2018 08:58
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Thanks Mick.
One final question please......does the cost vary between a 10 dog Licence......and a 50 dog Licence?
Thanks in advance :)
ricki, no not here in vic , my current permit is for 25 dogs and three litters per year , thats what i applied for and thats what i got , im retired now so didnt want a bigger number even though we have a lot more acres here . because as i found out at our previous place its too easy to have too many dogs lol
my previous property had a 100 dog permit , unlimited litters and it was on a gravel road ,
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Feb 2018 09:15
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Agree. I have met all my neighbours & even been invited to their home to have dinner with 2 of them. No issues there. So yes the Hush Hush approach is my only option. Only problem is if I was to get busted I think you only have a few days to get the numbers down to 2. Oh, I can apply for a special permit for 4 dogs.
On top of this the council also charge $22.20 per square metre for the kennel space. eg, say kennel block was 100 square metres there is a $2220.00 fee to pay.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 24 Feb 2018 10:34
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Darren Johnstone wrote:
Agree. I have met all my neighbours & even been invited to their home to have dinner with 2 of them. No issues there. So yes the Hush Hush approach is my only option. Only problem is if I was to get busted I think you only have a few days to get the numbers down to 2. Oh, I can apply for a special permit for 4 dogs.
On top of this the council also charge $22.20 per square metre for the kennel space. eg, say kennel block was 100 square metres there is a $2220.00 fee to pay.
Per sq mtr, that's ridiculous. What shire/council are you in, Darren?
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Feb 2018 11:43
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Scenic Rim
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Feb 2018 11:47
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Problem is that councils won't give any indication of likelihood if applications are likely to be approved prior to buying a property. You can spend a shit load of money before purchasing on engaging a town planner, summit your application & lose the lot. And as if a seller is going to agree to a drawn out settlement that may turn to shit.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Feb 2018 21:44
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Darren Johnstone wrote:
Scenic Rim Council in Qld. Because it is Rural "zoned for Agricultural it falls under 'Intensive Animal Husbandry'. I am on 27 acres with a 235 m frontage & just over 400 m depth. Closest neighbour is 200 m & the other 3 would vary between 300 m to 1 km away. Two boundaries are farmed with crops & neighbours would be 600-700 metres up to 1 km away. Dirt road with a dead end so only 6 properties use the road. But I would have to do sound tests etc. We don't even get a rubbish collection. But here is the joke.
Council require a sealed road.
Me: Sealed Road Access. The road to our property is serviced by a gravel road. Acceptable by council for everyday access for our access. Does this clause therefore make it unlikely that our application would be refused?
Council: A sealed road access is a probable solution. If you believe that you do not meet that, you will need to address the Specific Outcome (see below). Council may request/condition the road or access be built to a certain standard.
Development approval costs $22744 to lodge. No Guarantees. Kennels have to be 200 m away from existing neighbour & 100 m away from the farmed side (non neighbour). Total 300 metres when my frontage is 235 metres.
Just bullshit.
Darren: Are you misreading the "Sealed road Access"? May just require the front apron accessing your property to be sealed!
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7404 Dogs 26 / Races 9 24 Feb 2018 22:03
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seems like a lot of rafferty's rules in qld
if they council have a planning scheme in place that takes in kennels/animal keeping , etc
and you comply within the scheme , then a permit cant be refused ,
know and understand the planning requirements before you go asking them any questions, this is where your town planner is worth his/her weight in gold
and will establish whether there is a likelyhood of a permit being granted
if you cant comply with the scheme then you are wasting your time and money , look elsewhere ,
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Feb 2018 00:51
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Yes that is correct. An independent town planner that has experience dealing with the particular council in question. However it is ridiculous for the cost of the lodgement of an application. Previously I had enquired in another zone & it was approx $10000. Had no idea that another zone would cost more than twice as much.
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Feb 2018 00:52
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Michael Barry wrote:
seems like a lot of rafferty's rules in qld
if they council have a planning scheme in place that takes in kennels/animal keeping , etc
and you comply within the scheme , then a permit cant be refused ,
know and understand the planning requirements before you go asking them any questions, this is where your town planner is worth his/her weight in gold
and will establish whether there is a likelyhood of a permit being granted
if you cant comply with the scheme then you are wasting your time and money , look elsewhere ,
Yes that is correct. An independent town planner that has experience dealing with the particular council in question. However it is ridiculous for the cost of the lodgement of an application. Previously I had enquired in another zone & it was approx $10000. Had no idea that another zone would cost more than twice as much.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7404 Dogs 26 / Races 9 25 Feb 2018 01:20
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Darren Johnstone wrote:
Michael Barry
seems like a lot of rafferty's rules in qld if they council have a planning scheme in place that takes in kennels/animal keeping , etc
and you comply within the scheme , then a permit cant be refused ,
know and understand the planning requirements before you go asking them any questions, this is where your town planner is worth his/her weight in gold
and will establish whether there is a likelyhood of a permit being granted
if you cant comply with the scheme then you are wasting your time and money , look elsewhere ,
Yes that is correct. An independent town planner that has experience dealing with the particular council in question. However it is ridiculous for the cost of the lodgement of an application. Previously I had enquired in another zone & it was approx $10000. Had no idea that another zone would cost more than twice as much.
darren, i dont understand that cost for lodgement , some thing is getting mixed up ,, thats like a fee you would pay for a 20 lot subdivision ,
here in vic, our local shire ill give you a link and its quite straight forward whats needed for certain things , and when you read it , you will see they encourage pre/planning meetings the link EXTERNAL LINK
Darren Johnstone Australia (Verified User) Posts 85 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Feb 2018 09:49
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Michael Barry wrote:
Darren Johnstone wrote:
Michael Barry
seems like a lot of rafferty's rules in qld if they council have a planning scheme in place that takes in kennels/animal keeping , etc
and you comply within the scheme , then a permit cant be refused ,
know and understand the planning requirements before you go asking them any questions, this is where your town planner is worth his/her weight in gold
and will establish whether there is a likelyhood of a permit being granted
if you cant comply with the scheme then you are wasting your time and money , look elsewhere ,
Yes that is correct. An independent town planner that has experience dealing with the particular council in question. However it is ridiculous for the cost of the lodgement of an application. Previously I had enquired in another zone & it was approx $10000. Had no idea that another zone would cost more than twice as much.
darren, i dont understand that cost for lodgement , some thing is getting mixed up ,, thats like a fee you would pay for a 20 lot subdivision ,
here in vic, our local shire ill give you a link and its quite straight forward whats needed for certain things , and when you read it , you will see they encourage pre/planning meetings the link EXTERNAL LINK
Michael, I may be reading it wrong. but here is the correspondence that I received back.
A use of this type under the current zoning will trigger an Impact Assessable (inconsistent) development. The application will need to be publicly advertised (i.e. erect a sign on property, notify immediate neighbouring properties and advertise in the local newspaper) which may be subject to submissions. The proposal will need to be presented to Full Council for determination. Development Application fee is $22,744.00 (fees and charges 2017/2018) and to be accompanied by plans, document addressing relevant planning scheme provisions/codes and specialised report (i.e. acoustic impact assessment). As a starting point, attached are relevant planning scheme codes for your review.
As mentioned, given the level of assessment for this application being Impact, it is suggested that you engage the service of an independent town planning consultant to assist with application.
For your information, an Intensive Animal Husbandry is subject to infrastructure charges. Under Council's Adopted Infrastructure Charges Resolution (version 7, October 2017). The charges are as follows: $ 20.20 per m of gross floor area.