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Charles W Mizzi
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This would have to be disturbing for the GRV camp, short on numbers after the OVERBREEDING RUBBISH that was promoted here in Victoria and the recent re instatement of a breeding program to lure people back.

This could be disastrous for the industry long term, especially in Victoria and the Kennels involved.

It has been pretty low key, I have only just stumbled across it today and it has been out about 5 days.

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Michael Barry
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14 Mar 2018 03:30


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charles w mizzi wrote:

This would have to be disturbing for the GRV camp, short on numbers after the OVERBREEDING RUBBISH that was promoted here in Victoria and the recent re instatement of a breeding program to lure people back.

This could be disastrous for the industry long term, especially in Victoria and the Kennels involved.

It has been pretty low key, I have only just stumbled across it today and it has been out about 5 days.

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was on the other forum within minutes on the 9/3/2018
now 5 pages about it ,


Charles W Mizzi
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14 Mar 2018 04:01


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What other forum Michael?


Michael Barry
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charles w mizzi wrote:

What other forum Michael?

charles i sent you a pm , cheers mick



Calum Andersen
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14 Mar 2018 04:50


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There are other forums?


Michael Barry
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calum andersen wrote:

There are other forums?

yes calum



Calum Andersen
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It was a sarcastic comment. Most of the people who comment here are in a bubble.


Robert Conway
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14 Mar 2018 22:48


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charles you need to change your heading to the true

GRNSW V Wheeler



Con Reivers
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14 Mar 2018 23:38


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charles w mizzi wrote:

This would have to be disturbing for the GRV camp, short on numbers after the OVERBREEDING RUBBISH that was promoted here in Victoria and the recent re instatement of a breeding program to lure people back.

This could be disastrous for the industry long term, especially in Victoria and the Kennels involved.

It has been pretty low key, I have only just stumbled across it today and it has been out about 5 days.

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will make no difference to number of dogs coming to Vic from the wheeler camp .
IF P.A.W. gets rubbed out the kids will probably take over the business and keep sending dogs to Vic




Dan Hollywood
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If they followed the proper export procedures with DAWR's then what is the problem?


Charles W Mizzi
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con reivers wrote:

charles w mizzi wrote:

This would have to be disturbing for the GRV camp, short on numbers after the OVERBREEDING RUBBISH that was promoted here in Victoria and the recent re instatement of a breeding program to lure people back.

This could be disastrous for the industry long term, especially in Victoria and the Kennels involved.

It has been pretty low key, I have only just stumbled across it today and it has been out about 5 days.

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will make no difference to number of dogs coming to Vic from the wheeler camp .
IF P.A.W. gets rubbed out the kids will probably take over the business and keep sending dogs to Vic

I am coming from another angle Con. Firstly, PAW has already said that he had cut his breeding in half on this site I believe. Secondly, what if PAW has a gutful of how the industries are being managed and decides to pull the pin. I have no idea what PAW would do but I want to highlight what the overbreeding myth has produced. Which is why the heading is the way it is. PAW races in Victoria, so it effects Victoria.




Terry Jordan
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Dan Hollywood wrote:

If they followed the proper export procedures with DAWR's then what is the problem?

Dan: We have illegal's coming into this Country on a Daily basis.
Given there marching orders and sent home on the next available flight. No fines, No Imprisonment, Papers stamped not eligible for consideration for a further 2 years.
Who would you prefer to deal with in this matter? DPI? (Depart Primary Ind) Immigration? or GRNSW? Remembering one wishes to Hang, and make a example of you.


John Staines
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give the wheelers a fair go they have done more for racing than any other family in the greyhound industry I know of with out them we would find it very hard to servie they have made plenty of money out of the game but have put plenty back into it.


Charles W Mizzi
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John Staines wrote:

give the wheelers a fair go they have done more for racing than any other family in the greyhound industry I know of with out them we would find it very hard to servie they have made plenty of money out of the game but have put plenty back into it.

John, this thread is not having a go at PAW. I am in Vic and PAW'S own words were that he had reduced his breeding by 50%. It is a go at GRV for perpetuating the overbreeding myth and where we are today.


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ok sorry Charles i was all so having ago at the grv.



Dan Hollywood
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Terry Jordan wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

If they followed the proper export procedures with DAWR's then what is the problem?

Dan: We have illegal's coming into this Country on a Daily basis.
Given there marching orders and sent home on the next available flight. No fines, No Imprisonment, Papers stamped not eligible for consideration for a further 2 years.
Who would you prefer to deal with in this matter? DPI? (Depart Primary Ind) Immigration? or GRNSW? Remembering one wishes to Hang, and make a example of you.

So why do citizens allow corporations to make laws that conflict with Federal Law. The import and exportation of animals come under Federal law and if the DAWR allowed Paw to export then there can be no issue, totally lawful under Commonwealth Law . Participants have allowed Control Bodies to walk all over them, a bit like our elected governments and they will continue to legislate and control you because you do nothing..........


Tony Digiorgio
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21 Mar 2018 21:45


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Maybe that will be PAW's trump card Dan.

He hasn't actually broken any laws of the land.
Be interesting to see the outcome of this case.


Mark Staines
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Dan Hollywood wrote:

Terry Jordan wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

If they followed the proper export procedures with DAWR's then what is the problem?

Dan: We have illegal's coming into this Country on a Daily basis.
Given there marching orders and sent home on the next available flight. No fines, No Imprisonment, Papers stamped not eligible for consideration for a further 2 years.
Who would you prefer to deal with in this matter? DPI? (Depart Primary Ind) Immigration? or GRNSW? Remembering one wishes to Hang, and make a example of you.

So why do citizens allow corporations to make laws that conflict with Federal Law. The import and exportation of animals come under Federal law and if the DAWR allowed Paw to export then there can be no issue, totally lawful under Commonwealth Law . Participants have allowed Control Bodies to walk all over them, a bit like our elected governments and they will continue to legislate and control you because you do nothing..........

The GBOTA & ALLIANCE told us all that they hired the best Silks in the Land ?????
Its a shame they opted to roll over like Dogs with Fleas, i wonder what may have been achieved if only they had decided to have a "fair dinkum go" ????


Bruce Teague
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Dan,

The Commonwealth has no specific involvement or wish to assess what goes on with animals in other countries - except for matters concerning quarantine and the like. That would be interfering with somebody's domestic policies, which is a no-no. That is why human rights issues are so messy.

In the case of people it does issue "advisories", but it does not and cannot implement bans unless it passes a specific law (eg re terrorists). It could well issue advisories for greyhounds but that is not called for as GA does it (on behalf of the various states).

State racing authorities have a direct interest in maintaining the image of Australian greyhounds and greyhound racing and have deemed it necessary to limit any exposure to countries with poor welfare records. GA co-ordinates that involvement and liaises with the Feds, hence the passport process.

There may be overlaps but the two are different.

I may have missed a small point or two, in which case I stand to be corrected. But the basic principle is clear enough.

Meantime, I wish we could drop the PAW question until all the facts are known.



Malcolm Smart
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Paul Wheeler Fined And Disqualified Written by: Greyhound Racing NSW
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24/04/18

Greyhound Racing New South Wales (GRNSW) today announced the outcome of the hearing into 41 charges laid against participant Paul Wheeler as part of its ongoing inquiry into the unauthorised export of greyhounds.

Mr Wheeler, a leading breeder and owner, is disqualified for 12 months and fined a maximum of $22,000 for facilitating the export of ten registered greyhounds to China without passports, an action which was a serious breach of GRNSW Rules.

Mr Wheeler also pleaded guilty to ten charges under GRNSW Rules of failing to lodge the prescribed transfer of ownership forms and to one charge of engaging in conduct prejudicial to the interest, welfare, image, control or promotion of greyhound racing.

Six months of the disqualification is suspended pending any further breaches of the relevant GRNSW Rules. During the first three months of the disqualification, Mr Wheeler will not be permitted to reside at his property where his greyhounds are located and trained.

GRNSW CEO Tony Mestrov said it takes the welfare of greyhounds very seriously and is committed to preventing the unauthorised export of Australian greyhounds to destinations where practices do not meet industry welfare standards and are inconsistent with community expectations.

In 2014 Greyhounds Australasia (GA) adopted the position that it will not issue passports for greyhounds which are to be exported to countries where it has no formal association with a recognised central regulatory authority.

China is one such destination, and GA has not issued any passports to participants seeking to export greyhounds to China since that time.

GRNSW also considers Mr Wheeler's admitted Rule breaches with respect to the failure to lodge prescribed forms to be significant.

Mr Mestrov said information required to be submitted on the status of greyhounds is crucial to enable GRNSW to properly monitor and regulate their movement.

It is imperative that all participants understand that failure to properly comply with their notification obligations will result in sanctions, he said.

Ensuring proper record keeping is an important component of GRNSW's commitment to ensuring the welfare of greyhounds.

Mr Mestrov said the Steward's decision on penalty reflects the seriousness of Mr Wheeler's offences under the Rules.

He said the financial penalty is the maximum permitted under GRNSW's guiding legislation.

Together with the period of disqualification the decision demonstrates that GRNSW will not tolerate offences which jeopardise the welfare of greyhounds and tarnish the image and reputation of the sport in the eyes of the public.

Two other industry participants, Mr Yiwen Xi and Mr Wei Shan, who have been charged with a range of breaches relating to the export of Mr Wheeler's greyhounds, also have had sanctions imposed upon them.

Both participants failed to produce documents to the Stewards Inquiry as required.

Mr Wei Shan also failed to attend a hearing of the Inquiry despite a direction to do so.

Both participants have been warned off until they produce the required documents, and in the case of Mr Wei Shan until he makes himself available to attend Inquiry hearings.

Mr Mestrov said the wider inquiry into illegal exports of dogs was ongoing.

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