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Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 11 Jul 2018 00:33
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Looking for people's opinions on which sire to use on this bitch CLICK HERE I was thinking
Ronan Izmir CLICK HERE Or Zinzan Brooke CLICK HERE Also I breed to keep a couple and sell the rest. So what is your opinion on a price and saleability? Thank you
Both sires carry Just The Best in the lines who nicks exceptionally well with El Grand Senor, so from that angle both would be suitable
EGS also nicks ok with Collision/Token Prince lines as well which are also contained in Ronan Izmir
As far as outcross sires are concerned EGS also has an ongoing nick happening with Fortified Speed & Fortress
Solve the Puzzle is beautifully sex-balanced in Zinzan Brooke
On the balance, with the STP line breeding to provide hard chase, I would play to Just The Best with the outcross and use Zinzan Brooke
But either would be suitable
Ray Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 142 Dogs 2 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 03:41
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Worm Burner would be a chance
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 04:47
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Knocka Norris
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 06:35
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I like your thinking Luke whichever way you decide (prob option 2 just ever so slightly for me).
Also along the same lines, have you considered Unlawful Entry?
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 07:18
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CLICK HERE Sire doing an unbelievable job of upgrading steady short course bitches like this one Luke and producing high quality 500m+ pups Also a high chance of selling the ones you want to!
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 11 Jul 2018 07:32
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
Sire doing an unbelievable job of upgrading steady short course bitches like this one Luke and producing high quality 500m+ pups Also a high chance of selling the ones you want to!
She was a bit better than a steady short courser. and a litter sister to a very handy dog in Weekend Binge
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 07:50
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Agree in that shes a litter sister to a high quality animal and thats definitely a reason why I would breed with her too and Im not saying she was a complete slug. Clearly not but only a short courser and fabio is doing a magnificent job of upgrading these types of bitches and leaving strong 500m pups on the ground!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 11 Jul 2018 08:30
Pindari express by expert pedigree analysis, has been said that its make up could be explained through her dam line back to little Denver which and I'm pathetic with the scientific or pedigree analysis terminology, but it highlights and recreates the intensity of your dam line covering it with fabregas dam line !which then created pindari . Here it is highlighted
Your bitch has him in exactly the same spot , coincidentally your bitch is by el grand senor , and litter has produced a star , which in comparison to pindari ,her dam also went to el grand and produced andos Mac If you were going to give her a chance at the breeding caper do it with a proven sire first , if zinzan turns out to be dud at stud you have not learnt anything about your brood! Expensive $40k unanswered question Let others find out the answer with zin Zan
CLICK HERE It also has the double of awesome assasin which I also believe is proving a lethal double
Unproven short course bitch $1500-$2500 Crap market
Good luck bud
Adam Crouch Australia (Verified User) Posts 103 Dogs 3 / Races 0 11 Jul 2018 22:00
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I'm with Nathan, Fabregas for mine.
Unproven bitch x Unproven sire = $2000 in this market if you're lucky, to fabregas I could see you fetching $3000 comfortably.
In saying that, you've had much more experience with Fabregas than I have, do you believe his traits will compliment your girl?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 12 Jul 2018 05:26
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I like the comparison to Pindari Express from a ped perspective Nathan, thats a good pick up by you, however the resultant Fantasy Fortune was worth replicating as a racer whilst the other tho a prolific dam, grandam etc., may not have had the wheels of a Fantasy Fortune. If you were breeding for a future dam I'm all for it for this line, but for an immediate racer, going to a son or grandson of Elite State seems logical due to CLICK HERE also being from the same damline.
Thinking of breeding like you have here Nathan means that you can proceed confidently whether the sires are proven or unproven as you are trying to replicate a successful niche with the same damline, the sires no matter who they are, only carry the damlines with that vital niche you are after. That's why the better breeders appear fearless at times going to an unproven sire, but when you look more closely, when they go unproven which is quite often with some of them, it's more a very calculated gamble than being fearless. Cheers.
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