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That pretty much covers V to Z off my database Graham. Any other alpha listed above are offspring from the V to Z damlines which is approx 20% of the alphabet. Assume you wld have approx 5x that amount if I went thru my whole database (between 2007 and 2016). cheers.
Wow ! 13 unlucky for some. Love your work Ryan ! Some top knotchers there. My data is in my old wee head. So do we agree TSS 5-7 straight is rare ? Last night we see Sennachie smash his opponents by 10L at Albion Pk in near record time. What a great bloodline pedigree Sennachie has with not a lot Temlee or TSS factor. When looking at Sennachie first 6 gen theres not a lot of TSS Sydney Gem damline is now well and truly reignited. Sennachie a excellent Template of modern breeding. Like Kevin stated all breeding theories work its just depends what you want from your damline. Huge Thanks happy Moscow
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 10 Jan 2020 17:37
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Lets say 12 (and not include the 4 gen TSS) wld count to a fraction less than 20% so estimate there'd be a over 60 in the 10 yr period that were decent city types and were 5+ gens TSS .
Don't know if that's rare but definitely low nos, then again isn't anything decent low in number ? I might have to count how many decent types that were non TSS in 5 gens for example in that V to Z group. That then may give a little more perspective.
Also it's usually never just the the 1 dog (in this case Temlee re TSS) influencing the outcome when it comes to pedigrees imo.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 10 Jan 2020 21:24
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Kevin Wright wrote:
Graham Moscow wrote:
Temlee Temlee and MORE Temlee. Temlee Sire Strains ( TSS ) are everywhere they are the most prolific genes in terms of speed and chase. Past 15yrs we have seen USA Sires introduced to Australia. Modern day breeding is a combo of Aussie USA Irish sires. Working on old Tesio (Italian horses breeder) principles on line breeding of go into a line 3 times then outcross for vigor. Has that principle worked with Temlee sire strains over damlines ( bottom of pedigree not maternal sire line) Have those breeders that have followed tesio principle made the right choice ? Always there is the exception but Ive noticed its hard to find more than five straight consecutive TSS over a damline. I found one very good race dog with 5 straight TSS on his damline. Rare me think, so it would be good to hear from others. Note PAW approx 15 yrs ago went USA outcross, how would his line rate today if he kept on TSS over his damline. I cannot pretend to know the answers but my eye keeps focused on TSS on damlines. Also need all your help in finding the opposite to TSS with a top knotcher doesnt have any TSS over its damline. Would be good if we can list. Hope you find my view interesting.
This dog has a interesting pedigree Graham CLICK HERE Theory's on breeding all work and its just the way you see it working best for your dam line . Interesting that Temlee is sired by a 100% import .
What we do know is all lines need out crossing . We also know Aussie inbreeding produces some of our fastest dogs and bitches .. What is right and what is wrong when it comes to breeding .
Good example. Eye Got It. I look at his damline and I see the classical TSS and Waverley Supreme sire lines. For me its a good example of keeping balance with blood lines that work. Temlee & Waverley Supreme bring out the Pom in me. Say Temlee and Im thinking Pigalle Wonder, say Waverley Supreme and Im thinking Hi There. Just as Mutton Cutlet and Staff Officer their genetics survive. So fairly wise to state Tesio principle is a good guide, but as Kevin says inbreeding produces speed. With sprint races becoming more popular is close up line breeding now viable ? ? ?
Graham I do think inbreeding is the way to go for our bloodlines in Australia again . All of these new American sires are not as good our dogs or Sires now in Australia .
English Irish sires are the same we dont need their bloodlines .
we now have a enough diversity in our bloodlines to breed only from Bloodlines we have now in Australia .
It is a shame that Eye got it will not get any broods . Eye Got It is the type of dog that i think breeders should look at and the speed his bloodline has is second to none ... Breeders talk about speed well this dog has got that in bucket loads and the inbreeding he carries is why i think he could be the next super speed sire ....
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Jan 2020 23:10
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Eye got it, damline in my eyes is not highly inbred, his low on TSS over his damline. Barcia Bale, Brett Lee, Head Honcho. Thats only 3 TSS out of first 5 generations then go further back on damline no temlee or TSS factor. For me Eye Got It is a well bred Greyhound
CLICK HERE Kevin your not alone in your thoughts on inbreeding. Yes we have a lot of diversity. Yes we now have a lot of sprint races so inbreeding is viable $
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jan 2020 09:52
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Temlee Temlee and more Temlee, but how much more Temlee. As in previous posts Temlee is everywhere., if you want to breed speed and chase you need some of TSS Many breeders say the dam genes are major influence 70/80 percent of a mating leaving a sire balance of 20/30 percent ? so to continuously keep crossing TSS directly over a damline accelerate the TSS percentage rapidly. ( Temlee Tsunami ) My eyeball for a long time as noticed on many top knotchers city winners that whatever blood percentage Temlee is in the first 12 generations Waverley Supreme is a quarter ( approx) of Temlee percentage. I know I cannot data support my observations but it seems risky to go more than TSS 5/6 straight over a damline. IMO Tesio principle is a wise way of progressive breeding.
Today on FB a give away deal for a very well bred dam ? Hot damline !!!!
TSS 6/7 generations. Token Prince the in between
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 28 Nov 2023 05:09
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I first noticed this newer version of a Light of Fire(LOF) nick https:/ CLICK HERE when Yaakov Rishon bred Bears Gold https:/ CLICK HERE who ran within .01 or .02 of the Warrnambool TR. Since then I've kept an eye on it and noticed it coming to the fore in these dogs:
(ii) Zinzan Brooke https:/ CLICK HERE with this nick https:/ CLICK HERE once you reverse Zinzaan Brooke ped. Thx to Sandro for reminding me.
(iii) Tim Zoo https:/ CLICK HERE once again reversing the ped to get the positioning correct gives up the same LOF nick https:/ CLICK HERE . It's a lot harder to see as you have to mark the dogs off from the blood quota table below, nonetheless it's there. Thx to Jim P. for asking me to look into Tim Zoo's ped.
This LOF nick was very rare and different from the regular LOF nick https:/ CLICK HERE in that it exposes New Tears damline(bar Tim Zoo being at 100%) where as the more common LOF nick exposes LOF's damline thru Satans Legend. The newer version, when it clicks, seems to give up some X factor type racers. g/l if you can get it with your broods ped.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
