(i) a sire that has been previously successful with a particular damline and;

(ii) a bitch attached directly to that dogs sires damlines, at a very high percentage (minimum 88% within 5 generations) .

Here's some I've noticed that have been bred that way:

Ando's Mac CLICK HERE ; Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ; (i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations.

Shadale CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations refer blood quota table.

Punch One Out CLICK HERE ; Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations.

Bartrim Bale CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations.

Big Flood CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations.

Poco Dorado CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ; (i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations.

Sweet It Is CLICK HERE ;Linebred to Clan Lass' litter CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations, refer blood quota table.

Banjo Boy CLICK HERE ;Linebred to Clan Lass' litter as above ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations, refer blood quota table.

These are some I remember and a theory some breeders may want to include in pedigrees of their future litters. Pls feel free to post any other dogs that fit these trends or post any other trends in breeding people have noticed.Cheers.

From your list Poco Dorado is the only one that stands out where the majority of it's litter mates have been successful on the track. Can you explain what the difference is between her breeding and the other dogs on your list.
What stands out in her breeding compared to the others?

PD is just another top dog that fits criteria (i) & (ii) in a trend of breeding as I see it, and I'm just putting it out there.

The purpose of my post wasn't as a teaching tool, it was more about a sharing of ideas, in this case about breeding trends, which is what I see this forum is about. Cheers.

The reason I asked the question is that PD is the only one on your list from a litter that are close to 100% top grade, so I thought that maybe you could highlight something that may have caused that.

Not belittling the others on your list but they all appear to be the only "top" performers within their litters. The rest were only average.

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I'm not sure on the %'s and how this 88% thing works or find it ?
But I'm pretty sure it does grant

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Hi Mick,

Those examples I listed above carry damlines in the sire used that replicate sires who have clicked with the brood bitches damlines previously thru different individuals at a very high percentage. That is what I'm saying creates the intensity within those super star dogs pedigree. I'm not sure that reproducing the same dog in it's entirety has the same effect, as you are not creating anything new.

What you have proved is that your bitch carries a breeding parallel to Collision at 94% within 5 generations thru different individuals. So if your bitch Jodie were to theoretically produce a stud dog(not necessarily with this mating), you cld put that stud dog to a broodie where Collision was previously highly successful with that broodies damline.

Hope that I've made sense. Cheers.

Nathan Bendeich wrote:

grant thomas wrote: Does Poco Dorado's dam count as in this 'trend' Ryan...??? CLICK HERE I'm not sure on the %'s and how this 88% thing works or find it ? But I'm pretty sure it does grant CLICK HERE

Nice find Nathan, so yes Grant Chica Desticada does come under this trend as Nathan has shown.

With the percentages Nathan I look at the 5th generation where there are 16 dogs. So with Poco's intensity CLICK HERE
Head Honcho's pedigree covers 8 of those 16 dogs in the 5th generation;
New Tears pedigree covers 4 of those 16 dogs in the 5th generation;
Chariot Supreme's pedigree covers 2 of those 16 dogs in the 5th generation;

So in total that HH,NT & CS niche covers 14 of those 16 dogs in the 5th generation = 87.5%

Adding Grant's find:

Chica Destacada CLICK HERE ;Linebred to Paradox's litter CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations

Another that was pointed out a couple of wks ago:

Unlawful Entry CLICK HERE ;Linebred to Shy Token's litter CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations.

Slingshot Hammer CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations.

Slingshot Hammer is one to add to the list. Runs group dog race ptp at Sandown and an up n coming star who's engaged in the Group 3 Cranbourne Classic Final on Sat nite. He's a dog with huge ability.

Jamie Quinlivian's litter with an original Light of Fire niche:
Jacqui Blax CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations

Evie's Entity was an extremely fast bitch who in 2 Meadows runs that I saw ran group dog mid race sections over the 500m & 600m trips and one group dog ptp over the 500m trip.

So from replicating a Mogambo type at a high % (equal or above 88%) I looked at Cut Loose Max CLICK HERE and the dams attached to his sire El Galo's sireline and the relationship they had with Mogambo who was previously successful with this line.

Nothing much was apparent from this perspective early in the pedigree, however when I looked at Gun Law Osti's dam Miss Dusty Lee I noticed her full blood relation Osti's Magic as one of the dams in Mogambo's dam Zarbo's sireline (7th generation) CLICK HERE . This means that Miss Dusty Lee has been replicated by her full blood relation Osti's Magic - a different individual with the same pedigree and therefore at 100%.

Now the danger possibly with replicating these pedigrees at anything above 94%, closer to the front of the pedigree say thru El Galo's dam for example if the niche clicks, is that they may produce some very fast types but mainly over a much shorter trip. Further back up the sireline(4th gen)of El Galo thru a dam such as MDL however, may soften that extremely high(100%) new intensity created thru that different individual such as Osti's Magic somewhat if it clicks, to create a top city grade conveyance such as Cut Loose Max who posted multiple mid race and group dogs ptp sections on 4 different occassions at Sandown that I saw.

Similarly if you look at Alex's Entity CLICK HERE (who on 3 occassions I saw run multiple group dog mid race and ptp sections at the Meadows & Sandown over 500m),from a replicating Mogambo perspective you see Centrefire 3 generations up his sire Vee Man Vane's sireline CLICK HERE .

From this breeding perspective and working around Shining Chariot may negate 2 doses of Chariot Supreme, Shining Light and Satan's Legend in Zarbo's ped. Nonetheless for the purpose of creating a breeding parallel to Mogambo thru different individuals you'll notice 1 dose of Chariot Supreme and Princess Diro in Brett Lee's ped and 1 dose of Satan's Legend in Currency Lass' ped covering 29 of the 30 dogs within 5 generations in Centrefire's ped which is approx another extremely high 97%.

Remembering the danger possibly with replicating these pedigrees at anything above 94%, closer to the front of the pedigree say thru Vee Man Vane's dam for example if the niche clicks, is that they may produce some very fast types but mainly over a much shorter trip, however further back up the sireline(3 gens in this case), the extremely high intensity being created thru this niche appears to have softened somewhat and created a 500m star in Alex's Entity. Well, with this line anyway,and looking at breeding from this perspective. It should give a lot of encouragement to people who have purchased bitches from this damline to breed on with, providing a suitable sire is sought . Cheers.

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Hi Grant,

Neither am I after having a very quick look through GLO,Storm Glade and Chariot Supreme's success with this line. Not enough intensity thru a high enuf percentage with those 3 comparisons to Bearability's 4 damlines.

Brett Lee being from this line, the obvious sire to create some intensity to is Gun Law Osti for bitches from this line as well. Having said that Brett Lee may have been too close in age to your girl to consider replicating GLO, so her success may have been a high percentage replication of another sire(if at all), who had been previously successful with the line prior to Brett Lee OR it may not have been a trend then.

Michael Barry wrote:

ryan, i think the repeat mating produced a better racing bitch than evie's entity , Zara's entity seems to be stronger , CLICK HERE

For sure Michael, however when I look thru a line I start from further back in time and work to the front. When I see a line throwing a dog,in this case Evie's Entity, that can run 2x group dog mid race sectionals that only approx 7% of racedogs can do, over 2 seperate trips, it peaks my interest re their breeding.

Mogambo has always been almost impossible to find a breeding parallel to between 88% - 94% within 5 generations for me in the past, but above those percentages, pushing that extremely high intensity further up the sireline may have just created another option for future breeders of this line as Miss Dusty Lee & Centrefire both attached directly to the sirelines of Cut Loose Max & Alex's Entity have shown.

Somewhat along these lines and speaking with Jim yesteday superstar Burn One Down and his litterm8's(which include the mighty Buck Forty), came to mind. If you look at his sire Buck Fever CLICK HERE and the blood quota table below you'll find his dam Kiacatoo Pearl carries individuals that covers his sire Brett Lee's pedigree at an extremely high 94% within 5 generations. It's the utopia of linebreeding without crossing over to inbreeding and all on the front page of Buck Fever's pedigree.

Also from this topics perspective with Burn One Down/Buck Forty and the influence of Brett Lee over it.

Burn One Down CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations.

A couple of others to add to this list are:
Clonakilty Man CLICK HERE ; Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 94% within 5 generations.

Jury CLICK HERE ;Previously successful dog in the line CLICK HERE ;(i) & (ii) CLICK HERE 88% within 5 generations.

CLICK HERE Primo Uno, Hallucinate, Trouser, Worthy Reward, New Tears.

CLICK HERE No TSS after 5th Dam

What we do know is all lines need out crossing .
We also know Aussie inbreeding produces some of our fastest dogs and bitches ..
What is right and what is wrong when it comes to breeding .

That pretty much covers V to Z off my database Graham. Any other alpha listed above are offspring from the V to Z damlines which is approx 20% of the alphabet. Assume you wld have approx 5x that amount if I went thru my whole database (between 2007 and 2016). cheers.