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Older Sires - Can some make a comeback?page  1 2 

David Stojanov
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Royal Assassin is very closely related to Buck Fever
you didnt mean spring gun did you?



Sandro Bechini
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26 Oct 2018 01:57


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david stojanov wrote:

Royal Assassin is very closely related to Buck Fever
you didnt mean spring gun did you?

Royal Assassin would work over a Talks Cheap bitch

CLICK HERE
or even Oaks Road or Magic Sprite

E.g. CLICK HERE
to give you something like this bloke and the rest of his litter

CLICK HERE



Michael Worth
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26 Oct 2018 19:53


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Yes Sandro, thats my thinking to as previous post. If you know the whereabouts of those bitches Id be interested. Cheers


Sandro Bechini
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26 Oct 2018 20:20


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Hi Michael

Pretty sure that they were in Victoria and Qld but you can find them in Fasttrack.

Those mentioned were top line bitches and the breeders may have their own plans but you never know, there may be a chance to get a sister to any of them to lease out for a litter


Michael Worth
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26 Oct 2018 20:33


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Yes no worries mate thanks for the info. Cheers



Ryan Vanderwert
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grant thomas wrote:

Ryan...interested to hear what you think of R.A. over a Kinloch Brae bitch...

Grant I don't look at breeding in that way, prefering to match up a sire of choice damlines at a v/high percentage to what's been specifically successful with the broods damline.

I've always thought the success of Kinloch in this country was due to the linebreeding back to cornerstone brood Elsie Moss in the x path thru Max Moss, as if you have a brood bitch that carries Temlee in x you'll see Max Moss' brother Mister Moss also in x in Temlee's pedigree. Linebreeding in x to a cornerstone brood is gold imo and there is no stud dog in this country atm that carries Elsie Moss that close in his pedigree other than Kinloch Brae. Cheers.
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david stojanov wrote:

Royal Assassin is very closely related to Buck Fever
you didnt mean spring gun did you?

Hi David,

If you are referring to what I wrote, I was referring to the niche that Buck Fever carries that covers 88% of Royal Assassin's pedigree within 5 generations CLICK HERE (illustrated thru Buck Fever's sister).

Too many gaps here for my liking CLICK HERE altho agree there are some similarities.

Correctly you've pointed out that Spring Gun CLICK HERE (illustrated thru his sister), carries a similar niche which covers Royal Assassins pedigree also at 88% within 5 generations as promises free and nation parade are also cross duplicated in the blood quota table below. I just prefer to rely on Head Honcho himself rather than rely on others in his pedigree to complete that niche. Cheers.



Darren Leeson
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Collision (2001)

Feral Franky (2017) & Good Odds Harada (2017)

Good Odds Cash (2019)

Collision sire line all of a sudden is a commercial reality.




Mitchell Carter
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I whelped a litter of Elite State Pups on the 1/12/22 for an owner, they are actually for sale in the classified section. They will be ear branded shortly and ready to go. 8 Bitches and 2 Dogs, all balc with white markings. Lovely little litter, good to see old dogs gettinga chance again!


Ronald George Hunter
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14 Feb 2023 01:45


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Just pie in the sky as far as chase goes!
Not saying that older sires did not produce chase.
Just that the facts are, the system now employed does not give
the majority of pups, their natural ability to chase because of
the failure of rewards. So these past sires would suffer the
same results unfortunately.



Matt Griffiths
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14 Feb 2023 07:42


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Darren Leeson wrote:

Collision (2001)

Feral Franky (2017) & Good Odds Harada (2017)

Good Odds Cash (2019)

Collision sire line all of a sudden is a commercial reality.

Hostile and Dyna Villa super underrated



Darren Leeson
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Agree Matt! Afterall no matter the sire, were all trying to get into the sire of our choice elite % and on the whole FAILED %! not winning in the city.

The stats below are in the Metro area for entire 2022.

Fernando Bale (84% fail)
Barcia (84% fail)
Aston Dee Bee (83% fail)
Zambora Brockie (83% fail)

And so on.

Why, just going to Fernando &/or Barcia, is nothing but a dream, for 84 / 100 breeders and purchasers!

Name Starts Wins 2nds 3rds Prizemoney Win % Place % Points

Fernando Bale 16432 2672 2599 2378 $18,649,315 16% 47% 41872
Barcia Bale 6277 976 915 898 $6,194,543 16% 44% 15216
Aston Dee Bee 5138 897 765 726 $6,668,463 17% 46% 13482
My Redeemer 4054 615 611 587 $3,253,563 15% 45% 9768
Zambora Brockie 3569 596 493 456 $3,502,870 17% 43% 8844
Mepunga Blazer 2883 348 377 409 $1,930,815 12% 39% 5806
Orson Allen 2484 298 297 300 $1,307,825 12% 36% 4768
Fabregas 1931 226 254 246 $1,146,115 12% 38% 3768
Worm Burner 1743 195 245 253 $874,640 11% 40% 3436
Kinloch Brae 1610 212 187 222 $1,370,090 13% 39% 3312
Cosmic Rumble 1654 195 207 232 $878,475 12% 38% 3242
Dyna Double One 1570 180 213 199 $1,043,035 11% 38% 3050
Sennachie 1058 206 157 168 $1,012,580 19% 50% 3024
My Bro Fabio 1710 151 207 248 $2,640,040 9% 35% 2834
Zipping Garth 981 170 154 129 $971,720 17% 46% 2574
Aussie Infrared 964 171 146 118 $1,375,105 18% 45% 2530
Bernardo 867 134 120 134 $804,963 15% 45% 2088
Magic Sprite 997 113 123 129 $410,573 11% 37% 1880
Sh Avatar 848 119 96 96 $588,235 14% 37% 1766
Collision 864 91 137 141 $729,985 11% 43% 1740
Superior Panama 653 120 81 82 $707,040 18% 43% 1688
Allen Deed 731 97 116 116 $1,614,985 13% 45% 1666
Feral Franky 610 109 99 79 $909,480 18% 47% 1644
Dyna Villa 751 89 100 106 $622,915 12% 39% 1502
Out Of Range 486 96 81 63 $757,905 20% 49% 1410
Keybow 624 80 87 88 $474,240 13% 41% 1324
Aston Kimetto 546 85 74 74 $572,990 16% 43% 1294
Moreira 715 60 90 83 $303,255 8% 33% 1126
Ritza Lenny 503 69 60 58 $579,405 14% 37% 1046
Beast Unleashed 467 61 64 73 $304,715 13% 42% 1012
West On Augie 384 64 66 43 $448,273 17% 45% 990
Kc And All 377 66 53 56 $816,435 18% 46% 984
Spring Gun 405 62 50 56 $275,248 15% 41% 932
Raw Ability 409 55 68 54 $339,165 13% 43% 930
Unlawful Entry 451 53 44 65 $276,035 12% 36% 836
Kinda Cruel Red 464 48 53 68 $264,973 10% 36% 828
Whiskey Riot 296 54 45 40 $220,260 18% 47% 800
Ando's Mac 419 46 45 58 $212,290 11% 36% 756
Bella Infrared 349 46 44 42 $245,050 13% 38% 720
Benali 177 49 30 34 $355,250 28% 64% 678
Walk Hard 290 38 48 47 $185,850 13% 46% 666
Lightning Frank 317 41 32 52 $265,950 13% 39% 642
Fun Boss 372 36 43 48 $81,425 10% 34% 628
Hooked On Scotch 270 42 32 40 $202,380 16% 42% 628
Oaks Road 361 37 39 48 $185,178 10% 34% 622
El Grand Senor 234 42 35 30 $172,018 18% 46% 620
Konomi 257 41 38 29 $227,845 16% 42% 620
Tureaud 362 36 39 44 $71,965 10% 33% 604
Black Magic Opal 279 39 40 25 $383,915 14% 37% 600
Mogambo 278 33 47 39 $141,840 12% 43% 596
Vanderworp 183 42 23 28 $132,660 23% 51% 568
Banjo Boy 390 30 36 47 $99,365 8% 29% 538
Hecton Bale 359 26 43 52 $190,195 7% 34% 536
Rippin' Sam 344 26 43 49 $151,753 8% 34% 530
Thirty Talks 283 32 30 34 $107,120 11% 34% 508
Paw Licking 272 28 36 41 $144,755 10% 39% 506
Spring Bridge 188 29 31 46 $99,545 15% 56% 506
Zulu Zeus 214 34 24 28 $180,940 16% 40% 492
High Earner 207 31 30 29 $134,528 15% 43% 488
Hasten Slowly 208 27 39 31 $173,860 13% 47% 488
Over Limit 292 28 25 32 $145,300 10% 29% 444
Knocka Norris 187 23 37 27 $142,155 12% 47% 432
Cutting Edge 169 23 27 27 $115,803 14% 46% 392
Good Odds Harada 129 27 21 19 $162,750 21% 52% 392
Cosmic Chief 209 21 24 32 $61,515 10% 37% 370
Senor Slamma 164 21 27 25 $72,290 13% 45% 368
Sulzanti 182 23 24 15 $138,650 13% 34% 356
Se Tali Sundance 191 21 25 22 $252,088 11% 36% 354
Bekim Bale 246 16 23 49 $81,790 7% 36% 350
Blazin' Bomber 202 20 22 28 $85,270 10% 35% 344
Flying Fired Up 179 16 25 33 $62,810 9% 41% 326
Shima Bar 171 16 27 26 $92,615 9% 40% 320
Bewildering 134 18 25 18 $110,360 13% 46% 316
Jarvis Bale 196 17 21 27 $108,135 9% 33% 308
Trewly Special 134 17 22 16 $65,185 13% 41% 290
Bit Chili 169 15 22 21 $113,725 9% 34% 280
Goodesy 113 14 23 22 $94,935 12% 52% 276
Buckle Up Wes 134 15 22 19 $54,040 11% 42% 276
Sure As 176 11 22 28 $31,510 6% 35% 254
Elite And Classy 110 14 20 14 $47,650 13% 44% 248
Black Nitro 145 12 18 26 $52,148 8% 39% 244
Superior Product 121 16 12 18 $51,985 13% 38% 244
Don't Knocka Him 145 15 12 19 $66,685 10% 32% 236
Hostile 118 14 13 21 $57,655 12% 41% 234
Droopys Jet 104 13 19 13 $124,415 13% 43% 232
Zack Monelli 68 14 14 9 $101,325 21% 54% 214
Hello I'm Leo 99 16 8 9 $24,378 16% 33% 210
Droopys Buick 107 14 11 13 $94,020 13% 36% 210
Barts Outofmyway 113 14 10 14 $57,720 12% 34% 208
Dundee Osprey 142 5 26 25 $99,505 4% 39% 204
Buckle Up Mason 74 12 14 13 $49,965 16% 53% 202
Dyna Steal 121 10 16 18 $44,900 8% 36% 200
Jagger Swagger 118 13 9 16 $65,250 11% 32% 198
Fast Times 82 11 12 17 $36,005 13% 49% 192
Panhandle Slim 61 13 12 7 $48,300 21% 52% 192
Black Bear Lee 137 9 15 20 $26,700 7% 32% 190
Demon Bale 100 10 13 14 $26,855 10% 37% 180
Jiminy Reno 125 10 13 14 $60,135 8% 30% 180
Big Daddy Cool 105 11 12 10 $31,400 10% 31% 178
Mepunga Cruzer 50 14 6 7 $74,640 28% 54% 178



Matt Griffiths
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Darren Leeson wrote:

Agree Matt! Afterall no matter the sire, were all trying to get into the sire of our choice elite % and on the whole FAILED %! not winning in the city.

The stats below are in the Metro area for entire 2022.

Fernando Bale (84% fail)
Barcia (84% fail)
Aston Dee Bee (83% fail)
Zambora Brockie (83% fail)

And so on.

Why, just going to Fernando &/or Barcia, is nothing but a dream, for 84 / 100 breeders and purchasers!

It's a great theory but it's still probably slightly flattering to a lot of sires

Eg. If she's a pearl or wow she's fast win 8 in a row that means 50 starters by their sire have to lose to give the winning percentage. It's city winner percentages, not individual city winners



Anthony McVicker
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Interesting numbers with the dog at the bottom of the list. I have 7 going to breakers soon


Michael Worth
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Hey Darren, was wondering where you found those stats. I have a Razldazl Rioga straw and would like to know his stats. His dam was a freak producer and he is by Brett Lee and 33kg. I always wanted to use him on a performed Kinloch Brae bitch with a touch of Head Honcho. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers



Graham Moscow
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Matt Griffiths wrote:

Darren Leeson wrote:

Collision (2001)

Feral Franky (2017) & Good Odds Harada (2017)

Good Odds Cash (2019)

Collision sire line all of a sudden is a commercial reality.

Hostile and Dyna Villa super underrated

Long live the sireline strain of Temlee Tangaloa Pretty Short




Darren Leeson
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michael worth wrote:

Hey Darren, was wondering where you found those stats. I have a Razldazl Rioga straw and would like to know his stats. His dam was a freak producer and he is by Brett Lee and 33kg. I always wanted to use him on a performed Kinloch Brae bitch with a touch of Head Honcho. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers

Hi Michael, Greyhound Recorder metro site stats 2022. Sound thinking. I dont mind an Aston Dee Bee bitch to him. Untapped is interesting.



Michael Worth
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Thanks for the info Darren, much appreciated. He was a track record holder and has produced a GRP dog. Cheers

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