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Sharon Wells
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22 May 2019 02:40


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Do you think this is too close .
CLICK HERE Thx



Ryan Vanderwert
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22 May 2019 04:54


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Hi Sharon,

Usually some really successful ones from that Clan Lass line carry a high percentage niche to Best of Blue thru the sires damline.



Trent Wrigley
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22 May 2019 05:01


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CLICK HERE The double golden currency with mbf has been great throwing some very fast animals



Douglas Campbell
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22 May 2019 07:18


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How does Dyna Double One look ?

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Michael Worth
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Given the success of Banjo Boy , Vee Man Vane may be a good option or Solve The Puzzle is still available although a little more expensive. I also like Walk Hard and Spud Regis in that order. Cheers


Matt Griffiths
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23 May 2019 06:58


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Vee man vane or CLICK HERE



Steven Martin
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23 May 2019 07:58


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This damline has been sensational for Len Jones. It's renowned for strength in recent years.

As good as Banjo Boy has been, his best attribute as a sire has best been notice over 520m.

In saying this, I can't see why this proposal would be frowned at.
I'd do it in a heartbeat ---> CLICK HERE

PS....Andrew. Send Shazza a PM. It maybe the one your looking for.


Michael Worth
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23 May 2019 09:21


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Yes Steve, its a good option also but didnt put it up as I thought most may think its to close. But having the sisters up close may produce something special. I do like Walk Hard which brings BS and BL together and the half sisters. Cheers


Michael Worth
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23 May 2019 09:32


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Hi Sharon,

Usually some really successful ones from that Clan Lass line carry a high percentage niche to Best of Blue thru the sires damline.


Do you mean through Amerigo Man or Walkabout Sid being present in the sires damline with both being out of promises free the sister of Nation Parade whos the sire of Best Of Blue. Is that what youre saying Ryan as that seems to work. Cheers



Steven Martin
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23 May 2019 10:17


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michael worth wrote:

Yes Steve, its a good option also but didnt put it up as I thought most may think its to close.

With the double of Flying Penske in the mix, not a problem m8.

PS...Don't worry what others think. If the Australian public did, Labour would be running the country today lol.


Michael Worth
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23 May 2019 10:28


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Too true Steve. Cheers


Sharon Wells
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24 May 2019 06:32


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Thx for the feedback guys appreciate it



Ryan Vanderwert
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michael worth wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Hi Sharon,

Usually some really successful ones from that Clan Lass line carry a high percentage niche to Best of Blue thru the sires damline.


Do you mean through Amerigo Man or Walkabout Sid being present in the sires damline with both being out of promises free the sister of Nation Parade whos the sire of Best Of Blue. Is that what youre saying Ryan as that seems to work. Cheers

If you extend those thoughts a little further Michael, the sires dams carry individuals that recreate Best of Blue(BOB) at very high percentages.

Take Sweet It Is for example CLICK HERE whose sires dam is Zarbo. When you put her up and look at the effect against BOB CLICK HERE and look at BOB from a 5 generation perspective, looking at the blood quota table below you'll see:

Nation Parade duplicated in the 6th gen of Zarbo;
Black Top duplicated in the 9th,10th & 11th gen of Zarbo;
Fairbairn Lady duplicated in the 8th gen of Zarbo;
Arctic Light duplicated in the 8th gen of Zarbo;
Venetian Court duplicated in the 8th,9th & 10th gen of Zarbo;
Mabel Alice duplicated in the 8th gen of Zarbo.

Now if you imagine all those dogs above coloured red in BOB's pedigree, from a 5 generation perspective the only line that isn't duplicated (in black) is Waitawhile Lou.

So 15 of the 16 dogs(94%) in BOB's 5th generation are duplicated in Zarbo's pedigree. In other words there are individuals in Zarbo's ped that covers 94% of BOB's ped in 5 gens.
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Similarly Blue Girl Vane in Banjo Boy's ped CLICK HERE looking at her effect in BOB's ped in 5 gens:

Apart from the obvious duplications of Temlee, Tara Silk & Dynamic Dean already in red, if you look at the blood quota table below you'll also see Arctic Light and Venetian Court duplicated in the 8th generation...........so the only line in black in 5 gens of BOB's ped this time is Mabel Alice.........once again 15 of 16 lines in 5 gens for our purposes are are duplicated = 94% and another breeding parallel of BOB

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With Sharon's example of My Redeemer his dam Where's Demonica mapped against BOB CLICK HERE shows next to nothing but if you check the blood quota table below another breeding parallel to BOB opens up leaving only Mabel Alice exposed. Once again 94%.

This is only one of a handful of things that imo shld be considered when looking at a sire for your girl.

Hope I've made some sense, Michael. Cheers.


Michael Worth
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24 May 2019 19:20


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Yes Ryan , that makes sense with the examples youve given and is something Ill take more notice of. Thanks and Cheers



Jack Ogilvie
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24 May 2019 21:44


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Ryan ,Sharon have look at my bro fabio looks very good .



Ryan Vanderwert
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Agreed Jack it does however Zarbo is pushed back a generation as MBF's dam Flamenco comes to the fore.

If you compare both dams against BOB CLICK HERE & CLICK HERE you'll notice the dogs that create the niche:

Nation Parade,
Tivoli Dreamer,
Black Top,
Fairbairn Lady,
Arctic Light,
Venetian Court and
Mabel Alice

most are a gen further back in the blood quota table, so it appears from a Best of Blue perspective and from a statistical viewpoint that Pedro is only assisting Zarbo by adding more nos of the niche dogs into the pedigree, not bringing those niche dogs any generations closer towards the front of the pedigree..................agree it's good Jack, but pushing Zarbo a gen further back into the pedigree may mean the difference between possibly breeding an invitation class dog and a superstar Group dog (like Sweet it is), if the niche was to click. Cheers & hope you're keeping well.

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