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Peter Stanford Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 4 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 06:41
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My brood bitch Pearl's Legacy came on season yesterday. I am winding down on my breeding BUT I have a Fernando Bale straw which I am undecided if to breed or not. What do people think. Pearl's Legacy is by Mogambo X Pearl Napoleon. She has some quick pups in her first litter and I am presently breaking in her Barcia Bale litter with a couple of very quick pups in this litter. A very hard decision to make.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 07:52
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Why is it Pete, your saying she has fast pups out of both litters and you have a Fernando Bale Straw. So whats the problem. Cheers
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 01 Sep 2019 07:53
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CLICK HERE That's the testmating, but chances are she's gonna throw quality to any sire
Peter Stanford Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 4 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 07:59
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Michael, I am getting old and find it harder these days mate. Ive had a good run breeding some nice dogs but it is getting harder.
Michael, I am getting old and find it harder these days mate. Ive had a good run breeding some nice dogs but it is getting harder.
Hi Peter
It obviously isnt about the quality or questioning of the breeding ,its special But if the heart and body isnt in it , then its a massive drain or stress only your all to aware of . Options for you Pete is obviously selling every pup except for two for yourself , but , depending on how attached or concerned you are with them on where they land in whos hands , then this too could be a problem also
If you have a few very trusted friends or trainers slash rearers , maybe a deal could be sorted out with them where they rear and train them with a certain % still remaining in your name or pockets but a great incentive for them also being so well bred and also them having an understanding of your predicament
Pending on litter size , you would be looking at min 2 seperate individuals to take part in the venture
I understand its a very big deal and the brood and her pups are first and foremost ,looking at it from the above angle with a few pairs of hands helping ,it could be qiute a nice outcome and something different for you to enjoy instead of carrying the load all yourself for the next 2 years
Good luck Peter , well done anyway on past achievements up to date , youve obviously done really well to last this long
Cheers
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 17:01
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Matt James wrote:
.chances are she's gonna throw quality to any sire
Matt why ? I need a reason m8. You may be sorry you said that after you read on. haha.
Fwiw here's a possible reason:
Brett Lee has been an enormous influence with this line and if you're going to put Fernando over this bitch, I wld want to make sure that Fernando's dam Chloe Allen has a chance to create a massive amount of intensity with Brett Lee. jmo.
So here's Chloe with Brett Lee CLICK HERE which doesn't cover Gun Law Osti's damline or Brett Lee's damline, which means we have 3 of the 16 dogs at 5 generations not covered - the coverage is approx 82%. Not enough for mine. p.s. If you look at the blood quota table below Dusty Rapid is also cross duplicated.
Lets look a little deeper at Chloe's relationship with Brett Lee's dam Sobbing Sal as illustrated through Sobbing Sal's brother Costa Quid CLICK HERE . You can see by looking at the blood quota table below that Princess Diro and Come on Wonder are also cross duplicated as are New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Second Stage(already coloured red).
Now going back to Chloe's coverage of Brett Lee's pedigree CLICK HERE to see what we have. We've just proved that Bowetzel shld be in 'red' as his sires Second Stage and Princess Diro have been cross duplicated in Chloe's ped and that Wandering Clouds sire Come on Wonder has also been cross duplicated in Chloe's ped, it just doesn't show up in red because these dogs are in the 6th gen. You'll find that to be the case with Benjamin John (Osti Too's sire) as well, BUT within 5 generations we have Chloe covering every line except half of Gun Law Osti's immediate damline and half of Brett Lee's damline - that's approx 94% intensity Fernando's immediate dam Chloe Allen creates with Brett Lee within 5 gens. That's getting to be extremely high. p.s. Also remember Fernando has been tried with this dam line before. Leave it to you guys to interpret the results.
Is this possibly why Fernando has been so successful at stud ? Hell yeah imo. Look at what she does with Turanza Bale CLICK HERE 88% intensity cross duplicated within 5 gens......and there's probably more sires she creates extreme intensities with.
Now this is one possible explanation of why this mating may have a chance, remembering it still has to click. Beautifully positioned outcross in a primary 'not in x' position to balance all that linebreeding intensity being created thru different individuals too. Intensity in the x path, I'm not that certain of. G/l if you go ahead with it Peter.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 20:40
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Peter Stanford wrote:
Michael, I am getting old and find it harder these days mate. Ive had a good run breeding some nice dogs but it is getting harder.
Fair enough Pete, certainly wasnt trying to be disrespectful. Wasnt aware of your age but know youve been around awhile and have bred some wonderful hounds. Nathan has some good ideas which you may have already thought about. I think if you have a producing dam that consistently throws class pups then half the battle is won. Good luck in the future. Cheers
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 01 Sep 2019 21:31
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
Matt James wrote:
.chances are she's gonna throw quality to any sire
Matt why ? I need a reason m8. You may be sorry you said that after you read on. haha.
Fwiw here's a possible reason:
Brett Lee has been an enormous influence with this line and if you're going to put Fernando over this bitch, I wld want to make sure that Fernando's dam Chloe Allen has a chance to create a massive amount of intensity with Brett Lee. jmo.
So here's Chloe with Brett Lee CLICK HERE which doesn't cover Gun Law Osti's damline or Brett Lee's damline, which means we have 3 of the 16 dogs at 5 generations not covered - the coverage is approx 82%. Not enough for mine. p.s. If you look at the blood quota table below Dusty Rapid is also cross duplicated.
Lets look a little deeper at Chloe's relationship with Brett Lee's dam Sobbing Sal as illustrated through Sobbing Sal's brother Costa Quid CLICK HERE . You can see by looking at the blood quota table below that Princess Diro and Come on Wonder are also cross duplicated as are New Tears, Chariot Supreme & Second Stage(already coloured red).
Now going back to Chloe's coverage of Brett Lee's pedigree CLICK HERE to see what we have. We've just proved that Bowetzel shld be in 'red' as his sires Second Stage and Princess Diro have been cross duplicated in Chloe's ped and that Wandering Clouds sire Come on Wonder has also been cross duplicated in Chloe's ped, it just doesn't show up in red because these dogs are in the 6th gen. You'll find that to be the case with Benjamin John (Osti Too's sire) as well, BUT within 5 generations we have Chloe covering every line except half of Gun Law Osti's immediate damline and half of Brett Lee's damline - that's approx 94% intensity Fernando's immediate dam Chloe Allen creates with Brett Lee within 5 gens. That's getting to be extremely high. p.s. Also remember Fernando has been tried with this dam line before. Leave it to you guys to interpret the results.
Is this possibly why Fernando has been so successful at stud ? Hell yeah imo. Look at what she does with Turanza Bale CLICK HERE 88% intensity cross duplicated within 5 gens......and there's probably more sires she creates extreme intensities with.
Now this is one possible explanation of why this mating may have a chance, remembering it still has to click. Beautifully positioned outcross in a primary 'not in x' position to balance all that linebreeding intensity being created thru different individuals too. Intensity in the x path, I'm not that certain of. G/l if you go ahead with it Peter.
I'll rephrase. The Fernando bale mating looks OK on paper, but Peter's main reason to mate to him is there's a straw available and he's popular. I didn't look into what has and hasn't worked with the damline. You have to look up what has and hasn't worked with the damline too, but I'm still of the belief that if the broodie is a producer you'll get something no matter the sire and if the broodie is a dud it doesn't matter what bloodlines you match up you'll get nothing
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2019 22:22
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If she has thrown good stock before, and as you said its getting harder as you get older, why not out source and get someone else to whelp down?
Offer a pup in exchange for a whelping etc
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 02 Sep 2019 08:21
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Matt James wrote:
I'll rephrase. The Fernando bale mating looks OK on paper, but Peter's main reason to mate to him is there's a straw available and he's popular. I didn't look into what has and hasn't worked with the damline. You have to look up what has and hasn't worked with the damline too, but I'm still of the belief that if the broodie is a producer you'll get something no matter the sire and if the broodie is a dud it doesn't matter what bloodlines you match up you'll get nothing
Thx for the response Matt. No doubt your views are supported by your own experiences. Cheers.
Douglas Campbell United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3940 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Sep 2019 06:55
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Just out of interest - how does Bekim Bale look as an alternative ?
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