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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
Or do you need tips on how to rear your pups?

Turanza Bale bitchespage  1 2 

Brett Gatt
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Looking at doing this in the not too distant future.
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Brett Gatt
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There you go Peter. I think that's your bitch.



Nathan Bendeich
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Peter Stanford wrote:

I just purchased 3 X Fernando Bale out of Turanza Bale X Sweet it is bitch. Reading all the information, what chance do I have as they have a double cross of Primo Uno

Peter you have as much chance as the next persons pup or litter

CLICK HERE
No one said it wont work or cant in the future

But if researched more in detail eg. Traits of pups , personalities in different environments , track , people ,racing behaviour etc and not just look at one superstar on stats and think yes it works great
Then you will understand how or why some people have come to a calculated guess that certain crosses (double primo up close )can be hit and miss or viewed as slightly flawed , thats all

Again , there is no rules , but there will always be an option that potentially can put you in a better or larger percentage pool of receiving Lady Luck

You just have to find it

Good luck with your Fernando




Frederick Anthes
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04 Oct 2019 23:15


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Im about to put my turanza bale bitch to zipping Garth

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Brett Gatt
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Nice, good luck with them
frederick anthes wrote:

Im about to put my turanza bale bitch to zipping Garth

CLICK HERE





Brett Gatt
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EXTERNAL LINK
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7 boys 2 girls born today
brett gatt wrote:

Nice, good luck with them
frederick anthes wrote:

Im about to put my turanza bale bitch to zipping Garth

CLICK HERE





Mark Staines
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Brett I don't think its ever one dog, i.e. Primo Uno.
It's more about the intensity a group of dogs create close to the front of a ped..the greater the intensity closer to the front of a ped the less likely they'll get 500m.

RUBBISH !!!!!!



Ryan Vanderwert
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You are misreading what I'm saying, you are looking at the front page of the pedigree instead of the niche i.e., CLICK HERE 88% niche within 5 generations. If that intensity were 100% wihin say 2 or even 3 gens you wld likely be buggered as far as getting 500m types go.

88% intensity still gives the pedigree room to breath and ignite the mating, 100% gives it no room to breathe.


Mark Staines
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Breeding based on theories will get you nowhere !!!!!





Steven Martin
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11 Apr 2020 08:13


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There are always exceptions to every rule, including theories.



Ryan Vanderwert
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Totally disagree Mark, and here's why.... take your first example Burn One Down(BOD), a top dog called Jayell(x Brett Lee) CLICK HERE is from that line.

If you now look at the relationship between BOD sires dam Kiacatoo Pearl and Brett Lee the sire of Jayell CLICK HERE you'll once again see that Kiacatoo Pearl carries individuals within her pedigree that cover 94% (15 of the 16 lines) in Brett Lee's pedigree, they are mostly all in red. If you chk the blood quota table below you'll also see Bowetzel, Rowan Vale, and Dusty Rapid also cross duplicated, so from that view point shld also be in red

So within 5 generatons Kiactatoo Pearl carries different individuals that cover Brett Lee's pedigree at a very high percentage(approx 94%), that imo is what creates intensity within a pedigree. If you don't meet this basic or similar criteria when you design a pedigree the pups you breed may not be good enuf to make city grade.

If you linebred like this thru the sires immediate damline in this case Kiacatoo Pearl you have a chance of breeding a champion. If you were to linebred a gen further back along the sireline thru Sobbing Sal with this ped you can still breed a top invitation dog (Big Flood was bred this way imo thru a grandsires dam), but not a champion....linebred a gen further back and you're likely a chance of breeding a grade 4/5 dog etc., now once you hit 3 gens back and more, then you can look to duplicate 100% intensities, i.e. littermates or full blood relations(FBR's), and they can add a great deal of intensity too but it's important that they are at least 3 gens back or you risk breeding a short courser.

Notice I'm always talking about intensity thru different individuals whether they be 100% intensities (littermates or FBR's)further back in a ped or 88% plus intensities within the first 2 gens of a ped..it's never just the one dog. cheers.


Mark Staines
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Theories Theories and more Theories !!!!!
Try breeding a bitch that could run x A Dog that could run !!!!!



Ryan Vanderwert
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If that's gone well for you in the past that's fine, but people who breed btb usually end up on the wrong side of that successful statistic......wldn't you want to know why a mating was successful?

Surely you can see the logic in what I'm saying Mark?

I'll break it down for you:

1.You've got a top dog in Jayell who is by Brett Lee ;
2.You've got a brood bitch from the same damline;

Wouldn't you want to try to reintroduce Brett Lee back into that line with the sire you are going to use, whichever way you do it....surely that's logical.

All i'm saying is that if you choose to go down that path, and chose a sire with Brett Lee in the pedigree you're not creating anything new if you're just relying on Brett Lee to do it........all you are doing is duplicating Brett Lee. That to me doesn't create new intensity or do much to ignite the mating,

HOWEVER,

if you recreate Brett Lee or Turanza Bale or which ever sire you want to recreate, because you already know that sire nicks with your bitches damline, then do it using different individuals in your sire choices damline that makes up that sires(Brett Lee,Turanza or whoevers) pedigree, at a very high percentage above 88% but not at a 100% unless you want short course dogs.

That imo is the best place to start, then start adding whatever else you want, x path, xy, outcross positioning,18%,sex balancing etc.

This btw if it does nothing else, will show you the importance of positioning in a pedigree, which is an added bonus. Good luck if you try it. If you do all the work I'll help you anytime. Just call. Cheers.


Mark Staines
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Thanks Ryan !!!!!


Brett Gatt
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Silver Lake


Brett Gatt
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Silver Lake
Nathan Bendeich wrote:

I wouldnt double up on primo , until you can show me a handful of high quality litters with this cross I wouldnt be going near it

He and one other sire where top of the list for producing the most offspring for receiving tickets , the other big daddy cool (from memory , I stand to be corrected ??)

Not exactly what your after

Take a look at this , dont know your bitch but Turanza to this damline produced the best

CLICK HERE

Like Sandro says , theres no rules , but there are plenty of guidelines you can put yourself into a possible better position

Good luck




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