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Daryl Barrett
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Hi all, i just looked over the new grading policy to be implemented from the 3rd of March,i think most owner's & trainer's will be a lot happier,in some way's,it is similar to the grading system used prior to the current system & lot fairer.Also,it is very simple to understand.Any thought's & opinion's.


Carly Absalom
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Agree there are positives in it but there are still a few concerns.

6.5 (b) Give preference to drawing full fields for all races.

This means giving preference to an 8 dog 280m race at Wenty over a 6 or 7 dog FFA over the 520m or 720m.

The point system still needs a lot of work. There is simply not enough reward for greyhounds competing at top grade level and group level. Victorias point system is a lot better.

As it stands if you come 4th in the Million Dollar Chase final, or the Golden Easter Egg final, or any other group final at Wentworth Park you will receive less points than a greyhound that has come 3rd in a 5th grade 280m at Wentworth Park and less points than a greyhound that comes 2nd in a provincial 5th grade over 259m or whatever the latest shortest distance is. 8th in a group final is equivalent to 3rd in a 5th grade in country class.

I wonder why they have changed the terms for different classes of racing, from metropolitan to city, and from non-TAB to country.

I also wonder if Wentworth Park Wednesday night provincial meetings will keep their prizemoney levels or will they be reduced to be consistent with other provincial meetings?



Grant Dunphy
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27 Feb 2020 08:09


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Carly-As Wenty is a City venue I am hopeful Wed nights will attract City prize money as was the case previously on Monday & Friday City meetings in the past.

As for the points system I cannot see any justification for a maiden to attract less points.


Carly Absalom
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If you look at the calendar on thedogs website for March you can see that Wentworth Park Wednesday nights are provincial.

I have no issues with maidens being less but not as much less as they are and I don't understand why all maidens are the same points whether it's a group race maiden or a country class maiden.



Tom Rees
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27 Feb 2020 09:22


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I dont understand if Wenty is provincial on a Wednesday why it pays more than say Richmond as a provincial on a Friday. NSW one city meet a week, the other states leave us for dead


Sandro Bechini
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27 Feb 2020 19:45


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Tom Rees wrote:

I dont understand if Wenty is provincial on a Wednesday why it pays more than say Richmond as a provincial on a Friday. NSW one city meet a week, the other states leave us for dead

Its a carrot to go to the city to race


Sandro Bechini
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Being able to win 4 provincial races in a distance category on any NSW Track before moving up to 4th grade will hopefully see trainers try and progress their dogs, where applicable, from 300m to 400m and then onto 500m+ to try and build up the racing pools in these longer distance

The 2 x 5th grades per track per distance is now gone

The only shortcoming I see is the absence of a Novice grade unless they set up programming with 1-2 win non penalty races for various distances


Bruce Teague
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Grant Dunphy wrote:

Carly-As Wenty is a City venue I am hopeful Wed nights will attract City prize money as was the case previously on Monday & Friday City meetings in the past.

As for the points system I cannot see any justification for a maiden to attract less points.

Grant,

I rarely comment on grading as that is best done by people who are involved day to day.

However, let me point out that the original Wenty prize money was equalised over Sat/Mon (not Mon/Fri). At that time I noted that field quality was much different between the two and it was about time that the cash reflected that. So they eventually changed it.

But now that has morphed into a common rating for 280m and 520m races, thereby encouraging the squibs and downgrading the overall product, even to the extent of offering $5k for a 280m winner this Saturday!!! Last Wed had 4 x 280m @ $2.5 - the same as for 520m.

This leaves us with serious questions: why are better dogs not being nominated for Saturday or Wednesday; why not develop the track to provide races longer than 280m; why are 280m races not paid at country levels; what are they trying to achieve by running any 280m races in the first place; will the new grading make things better or worse at Wenty (4 x 5th Gr wins)?

Ok, there is a dog shortage but even worthwhile grading changes may not address the need for answers.



Grant Dunphy
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Bruce,
You misunderstood my explanation on the days Wenty raced.

We raced on Sat/ Mon & we also raced Fri/ Sat never Fri/Mon.

I believe it should be Tues/Sat with Gosford moving to Wed.

My point is the prize money has been halved on nights other than Saturday
& we need GRNSW to rectify this asap. to keep good dogs in NSW.


Mark Wilcox
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28 Feb 2020 18:41


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wentworth park is one of the worst tracks around ,but we have to put up with it till we find a new home. I think Saturday night should be the main night with a very high level of money for 520 to 720 dogs Wednesday night provincial money only and that would be for all distances graded from 720 down 280 if needed .Provincial tracks 440 and above need a pay rise .


Bruce Teague
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gillian wilcox wrote:

wentworth park is one of the worst tracks around ,but we have to put up with it till we find a new home. I think Saturday night should be the main night with a very high level of money for 520 to 720 dogs Wednesday night provincial money only and that would be for all distances graded from 720 down 280 if needed .Provincial tracks 440 and above need a pay rise .

Gillian,

Absolutely, but after watching the good dogs on the Richmond first turn last night I am not sure Wenty is the worst. The sad thing is that RICH535 is easily fixable by shifting all the 400m stuff away from its current location and fixing the camber.



Mark Wilcox
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Bruce you are correct about the first turn at Richmond it is a shocker they start to build up speed and then they loose it near the 400 there is another spot along side the 600 boxes thats where dogs do go a miss.But i would like to see them knock the whole track down and put a new one in rather than a fix up.


Bruce Teague
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Gillian,

Sure, but it is a question of priorities. And they had a big go a few years ago (for over half a mil) and did no more than put back what they had before.

My suggestion would be relatively cheap, thereby leaving funds to apply elsewhere. Bulli has a comparable camber problem and the Gardens could be further improved. So could Gosford.

We would all like to see a state of the art track at Wenty but that would involve a total re-make of the circuit, not just a fiddle with levels - which is all that has been done for the last 20 years.




David Stojanov
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hi with this new grading policy , dose anyone know i know there is no need for a pt , but what im not sure if dog didn't race in last 6 months they needed a trial clearance so is this still in place or no trial required ? thanks


Mark Donohue
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Tom Rees wrote:

I dont understand if Wenty is provincial on a Wednesday why it pays more than say Richmond as a provincial on a Friday. NSW one city meet a week, the other states leave us for dead

Its a carrot to go to the city to race

At the moment it is. Whos to say it wont change.

GRNSW/ GWIC in 2017/2018 FY had a surplus of $4.7 million. At the end of 2018/2019 FY they had a deficit of $1.5 million. Thats a turnaround of about $6 million in one year. Ive been told its not looking pretty this FY. The Governments Plan is coming home to roost n its been well accommodated.

Lets see if the two authorities can pull a rabbit out of a hat or find the goose that lays the golden egg.



Carly Absalom
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I just checked the calendar and Wentworth Park Wednesday nights now appear to have no specific class as of next week.

Every other meeting it states either city, provincial or country after the track name but on Wednesday nights it just says Wentworth Park.

The grading policy still refers to just 3 classes of meetings; city, country and provincial, so I have no idea what it means for grading and prizemoney at Wednesday night Wentworth Park meetings.


Mark Donohue
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Carly, hypothetically if WP Wednesday were to drop down from $2500 to $1500, will the GBOTA or other participants have the ability to do something about it? Thats an approximate reduction of $500k per year in p/m that will go on administration.


Carly Absalom
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Sorry Mark, Im out of that side of it since I have moved to Victoria.

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Still no clarification on grading of Wentworth Park Wednesday night meetings.

Note also that it seems for the next few weeks NSW dogs and interstate greyhounds will be graded differently. Will this mean that for the Easter Egg and Association Cup heats dogs will be under different grading policies for the same race? What policy are the interstate dogs graded under? The old policy, that no longer appears online? A different policy, that also doesnt appear online?



Jodie Lord
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07 Mar 2020 09:13


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prize money will stay the same Wenty Wednesday


Mark Donohue
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Jodie,
I hope so for participants sake. Its been eroded enough.

Carly,
Yes, I know that youve been down there for awhile now, but you still have an interest up here in NSW and Im glad you do, because too much goes unscrutinised.

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