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Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2020 03:12
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I dont know if its me but the the price of pups on data are extremely inflated The name Bale seems to put blown up prices on the pups and most ads have fair bitches and the the prices are ridiculous. l know breeding is down but its wrong people are asking blown up prices to take advantage of the current situation.Everyones bitch was a superstar, sorry to upset people and I know from breeding myself its not a cheap thing to do but ,theres not much money around ,theres just been a government stimulus package go out,lets get real Michael
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 10 Apr 2020 03:36
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these types of posts have been posted before. at the end of the day if they aren't priced well they won't sell....
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2020 03:57
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Dear Phil Happy Easter stay safe, its just that this was my first look in ages at the pup page and I was blown away,not trying to cause grief but if our breeding industry is down then for the future we need pups but in these hardship times I was amazed at people l think trying to cash in. Please tell me does the greyhound recorder and greyhound weekly still exist and are there plenty of pups for sale in them.I am a breeder as well ,not for a few years but Amazed at some prices ,yes we need pups for our future but lets help one another a bit . Thanks Michael
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 10 Apr 2020 04:23
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happy Easter to you as well, greyound recorder is online don't think they have pups for sale. most sell through here or Facebook or word of mouth it's challenging time at the moment things can only get better how long who knows!! I know what you mean with prices tho I have seen couple reasonable litters sell they are few and far between are you looking for a pup?
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2020 04:48
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Gee Phil I remember it was not that long ago that the recorder ,and living in Melbourne the greyhound weekly on a good day would have up to five pages of pups for sale ,I bred a group one winner in Mystic Apple ( Hallucinate / Spiral Siyan for $ 1600 .No Phil not breeding at moment but in time I will again. Cheers Michael
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 10 Apr 2020 07:48
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Michael I have thought about breeding and selling and looked at prices and thought middle of range you would not make enough to make it worth the trouble and worry. Cheers Ted.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 10 Apr 2020 08:34
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looking at page 1 here pups for sale , 10 lots
average price about $4500, if you can breed to a commercial sire .
and sell at these prices i dont think you are making much money
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Apr 2020 08:48
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Ted and Michael I am first to say its incredibly expensive to breed , but Im doubting if theres enough money in the economy currently. Straws , inplantation i prices are about the same , yes meat and other cost with pups must of gone up ,thats fair enough but lets not go over the top Maybe an insentive scheme needs to be put in place to breed litters and then scenceable prices might prevail but I still feel people think its a quick way to make money but they then find you dont make your superannuation breeding poor little pups .Michael
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 10 Apr 2020 09:12
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Michael Maguire wrote:
Ted and Michael I am first to say its incredibly expensive to breed , but Im doubting if theres enough money in the economy currently. Straws , inplantation i prices are about the same , yes meat and other cost with pups must of gone up ,thats fair enough but lets not go over the top Maybe an insentive scheme needs to be put in place to breed litters and then scenceable prices might prevail but I still feel people think its a quick way to make money but they then find you dont make your superannuation breeding poor little pups .Michael
theres always money in any state of the economy ,, when you have the right item to sell there will always be buyers , lots of well bred pups change hands for good money , you will never see them advertised here or anywhere else ,
they are bought by those in the know ,
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 10 Apr 2020 10:18
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Michael Maguire wrote:
I dont know if its me but the the price of pups on data are extremely inflated The name Bale seems to put blown up prices on the pups and most ads have fair bitches and the the prices are ridiculous. l know breeding is down but its wrong people are asking blown up prices to take advantage of the current situation.Everyones bitch was a superstar, sorry to upset people and I know from breeding myself its not a cheap thing to do but ,theres not much money around ,theres just been a government stimulus package go out,lets get real Michael
Michael,
I'm guessing there could be one of three scenarios played out in the near future, but I could be wrong, because no one knows what the future holds with this virus.
1. PRIZE MONEY REDUCTIONS If this happens across the board and with that, group and feature race prize money takes a big hit, we are in big trouble. Lack of opportunity to make decent returns on investment along with everyone's tightened purse strings, means prices of pups AND sires dropping drastically. You will pick a pup up for a song but you might also be racing for one.
2. PRIZE MONEY STAYS STABLE With the majority of people struggling, less pups will be sold, therefore there will be a supply/demand situ and the ones who can still afford a pup will pay the higher price tag. Pup and sire prices may well rise.
3. They find a vaccine quick smart and it eventually all settles back to normalcy.
The way it is headed there will be less dogs bred from now on, due to affordability, logistics and uncertainty. The ptb need to put in place breeding incentives and advise some insight as to what people can expect re p/m in the near future...hard one.
It's a one in three bet.
The industry's fate from 2021 onwards will be determined by what decisions are made in 2020.
Again, I could be wrong but I hope for everyone's sake, it's no.3.
Ted and Michael I am first to say its incredibly expensive to breed , but Im doubting if theres enough money in the economy currently. Straws , inplantation i prices are about the same , yes meat and other cost with pups must of gone up ,thats fair enough but lets not go over the top Maybe an insentive scheme needs to be put in place to breed litters and then scenceable prices might prevail but I still feel people think its a quick way to make money but they then find you dont make your superannuation breeding poor little pups .Michael
theres always money in any state of the economy ,, when you have the right item to sell there will always be buyers , lots of well bred pups change hands for good money , you will never see them advertised here or anywhere else ,
they are bought by those in the know ,
I agree with both Michaels (Barry and Geraghty)
Prices fluctuate with the state of the macro-economy and with the circumstances of the micro-economy
At the moment the macro-economy will recover but for 6-12 months with the uncertainty of this disease we will see major disruptions with business, jobs etc
Government is stepping up with stimulus, but also when all is over, it is a good time for them to go into debt and step up capital works projects and other programmes e.g. improving our national security forces, all around the nation to stimulate employment, business and provide jobs to a number of industries
Greyhounds for a small percentage of participants are their life-blood, they need investors to buy pups and race them. They will be affected the most especially if they have invested funds into their complexes
Those that are fully established and have the resources to do it all themselves are in a better position to last it out.
Owners will be affected by the macro-economy as for most greyhound ownership is a leisure pursuit and if there is a choice between providing for your family and greyhounds, the choice will be the protection of the family.
The effect on the greyhound market will be dependent on how long this lasts but there is sure to be downward pressure on prices for a period of time and hopefully not prizemoney
If prizemoney holds up, then prices will bounce back
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 01:07
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 11 Apr 2020 02:34
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I have been in dogs for over 60 odds years ,during this period I have seen ups and downs but nothing like this.1 dont care if some one had a real good litter they want say 8/10 k a pup tell them their dreaming..I would not pay over 2 k for a pup at the moment .who knows if you will ever see that pup race. The word depression is being used. The Federal and state Governments are I wracking up Billions of debt and will only get worse.There will be huge cuts to their budgets over the next decade including capital works programs . Any one who thinks we are back in 2017 are kidding them self. I was interested in a lovely bred pup at 2k for a dog .Normally I would pay 3 k or more for that pup 6 month ago. Now I cant get any members wanting to go into a syndicate these days ,as they are worried about their jobs into the next couple of years .Reality is many of these companies who now employe people will have gone by the way side.l bet you any thing some of these pups currently advertised will still be up for sale in 6 months time . There will be fire sales every where in a few months time. How many people are looking at breeding a litter now or into the near .?future. Sorry if Im being negative ,which I have never been ,but I think this is the greatest reality check the industry has ever faced.
Stephen Francis Australia (Verified User) Posts 360 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 02:48
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Being one of those vendors with one of those tags of Bale (well Allen in this case) I don't think they are too badly priced. Sure they are by an unproven sire and none have sold but I think its the current situation and not the pricing.
If I drop them much more I might as well just give the entire litter away and cut my losses now. If I struggle then I probably prefer to give them to friends on a deal of 50% as long as they finish rearing then any other costs beyond that split 50/50 also. Keeps me interested and might get some more friends involved for cheap.
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 03:43
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Stephen I completely understand , we are all caught between a rock and a hard placeIts not cheap to breed , but the ecomic crisis is not helping,I remember advertising litters on here at a loss , Tyre kickers and people offering less amounts but I think now we have to be price conscious and not inflate prices,I once sold a dual group winner on here for $1600 the litter won about $50,000,I did not get any of that because I was forced to drop the price.We cant inflate the market to high,some people think that they have had a litter and can ask anything on here and people will buy They wont .All the very best youll get through.Michael
Michael Maguire Australia (Verified User) Posts 116 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 03:48
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Jack you have nailed it in one,People will wait and see,As far as Im concerned ,in these times $2000 is about right then they have to be reared ect.Michael
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Apr 2020 04:14
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
I have been in dogs for over 60 odds years ,during this period I have seen ups and downs but nothing like this.1 dont care if some one had a real good litter they want say 8/10 k a pup tell them their dreaming..I would not pay over 2 k for a pup at the moment .who knows if you will ever see that pup race. The word depression is being used. The Federal and state Governments are I wracking up Billions of debt and will only get worse.There will be huge cuts to their budgets over the next decade including capital works programs . Any one who thinks we are back in 2017 are kidding them self. I was interested in a lovely bred pup at 2k for a dog .Normally I would pay 3 k or more for that pup 6 month ago. Now I cant get any members wanting to go into a syndicate these days ,as they are worried about their jobs into the next couple of years .Reality is many of these companies who now employe people will have gone by the way side.l bet you any thing some of these pups currently advertised will still be up for sale in 6 months time . There will be fire sales every where in a few months time. How many people are looking at breeding a litter now or into the near .?future. Sorry if Im being negative ,which I have never been ,but I think this is the greatest reality check the industry has ever faced.
You are a bit down on form Jack. You need a course of that Black Tar lol
Daniel Evans Australia (Verified User) Posts 317 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 04:15
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Breeder's may have to hold onto their pups, but in 2 years time they'll be the only ones collecting any prizemoney as they'll be the only ones that have any. Just like when they were going to shut the industry down. During the unknown times Ray Borda went out and started buying up. Now look at him
Robert Conway Australia (Verified User) Posts 461 Dogs 4 / Races 0 11 Apr 2020 05:10
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hi Michael, this topic has come up before but the times have changed so the answers will change. years ago ordinary bitches were being bred from and priced lower. Due to the fact these ordinary bitches can be easier to re-homed and grv spruking to breed from more qualified girls they have left the market as broods and a higher grade of brood girls are being used.Hence a rise in their costs as there is more chance of winning a race with their pups than the earlier bred pups. Breeders are more aware to use a good brood girl as most adds talk about the girls performance than the sires. Most breeders as i have done get rid of fair brood bitches and aim for the girl who is going to give more of a chance to produce quality winners. Remember breeders keep some pups for themselves to race hence a good brood is used. The unpopular sires straws are being sold off cheap and the sires that also may give you a chance at a better pup are used.
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