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Hi Steve , thanks for the link. That is terrific news for breeders well done and will hep lots of breeders in these hard times
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 14 Apr 2020 08:29
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It's purely a business decision which quite a few will follow, I think, otherwise they'll be left behind. A business mind and kudos to them.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 14 Apr 2020 11:30
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
It's purely a business decision which quite a few will follow, I think, otherwise they'll be left behind. A business mind and kudos to them.
It's purely a numbers game if you do the maths, which quite a few don't realise & will simply follow, I think, otherwise, they'll feel like their missing out on something. A business mind and kudos to them.
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 15 Apr 2020 07:36
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
I think some people think having a stud dog is a easy gig it's not. Marketing your Stud dog to get the numbers needed to succeed is so important I am surprised not to see a Sire to offer Natural or fresh AI ..under $1200...from the current crop of new sires .
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 15 Apr 2020 07:52
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
And one of these new kids on the block Mick & Jamie, who's been siring for nearly 3 years now has not even sired more than 2 CITY WINNERS (City Prizemoney) on either Meadows, Sandown or Wentworth Park....but his service fee keeps rising.
Some people are easily fooled & get tricked, even hypnotized by the rising service fee & think their going to miss out on a sure thing.
Do your own stats & the truth will be revealed. Don't rely on what's available, as they maybe right in one sense but totally wrong on the figures you thought were actual fact. Yes, figures can be very miss-leading.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 15 Apr 2020 08:27
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
I think some people think having a stud dog is a easy gig it's not. Marketing your Stud dog to get the numbers needed to succeed is so important I am surprised not to see a Sire to offer Natural or fresh AI ..under $1200...from the current crop of new sires .
when we started a few years ago in this caper , there was probably 6/7 studmasters , offering everything from frozen, to natural and all things in between ,,
today everyone is a studmaster ,, FROZEN ONLY , offering breeders nothing , no choice
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 15 Apr 2020 10:25
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Michael Barry wrote:
Kevin Wright wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
I think some people think having a stud dog is a easy gig it's not. Marketing your Stud dog to get the numbers needed to succeed is so important I am surprised not to see a Sire to offer Natural or fresh AI ..under $1200...from the current crop of new sires .
when we started a few years ago in this caper , there was probably 6/7 studmasters , offering everything from frozen, to natural and all things in between ,,
today everyone is a studmaster ,, FROZEN ONLY , offering breeders nothing , no choice
The way Head Honcho started was brilliant and i think at the time he was $600 with a Pup buy back ..
I also remember Buka Sunset had a offer of 100k to any dog to win 2 group ones and it almost went off with i think Master Giant..
Superman also had a good breeders incentive ..
I think most stud master think Broods will flood in once retired to Stud duties but months pass by with very few broods in reality they are kidding themselves. I would rather a full book than a empty book ....Even in this climate you could give away 20 breedings to help promote your sire and there is more than one way to skin a cat but the name of the game is getting broods regardless IMO ...Numbers make a Sire IMO
I think if you want to back your dog at stud, the first thing you should do is get yourself 6 compatible bitches. Or more.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 15 Apr 2020 20:17
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
I think if you want to back your dog at stud, the first thing you should do is get yourself 6 compatible bitches. Or more.
That can work. JQ but you could be breaking in 50 pups yourself .
The biggest risk when owning a Stud dog is drawing semen for the future needs its a huge risk but you must do it ..
If I had a NEW SEASON Sire i would be giving it away for free for bitches on SEASON ..
At least offer FRESH AI ....for a fee
80% of the retired dogs over the past 6 months will fail to get 6 bitches let alone make a real stamp on the breeding industry in the Future ..
I sell Kiowa mon Manny semen for $1500 he is a proven Sire of Sires and was the Number one sire in the USA .. It cost the same amount to draw 3 vials or 6 vials .. Each Vial cost $50 with GA to register . $400 to draw the semen ..
It costs no more than 1k Max to register each draw ...as i said each draw can have even upto 7 if the semen count is high then you can split this many times without any problems as long as you have POST THAW 100million in each Vial
Robert Conway Australia (Verified User) Posts 461 Dogs 4 / Races 0 15 Apr 2020 22:03
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plus the $500-600 for vet fee on top
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Apr 2020 22:07
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I read that a major racehorse stud in US is not charging service fees this coming season due to the recession. Still collects agistment fees for several months. I think Kevin Seymour did same with Mr. Feelgood (pacer). Would make it hard to charge much for pups.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 15 Apr 2020 22:46
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
it makes some new kids on the block, now look expensive ,
They looked expensive before this....
I think some people think having a stud dog is a easy gig it's not. Marketing your Stud dog to get the numbers needed to succeed is so important I am surprised not to see a Sire to offer Natural or fresh AI ..under $1200...from the current crop of new sires .
In a few stud dogs defense there are a few stud dogs that have offered naturals where possible. I know Aussie Infrared, Blazin bomber and a fair few of Sires On Ice dogs have previously offered naturals where possible.
Zinzan Brooke is the prime example of doing everything to accommodate breeders., then breeders not giving him anywhere near the respect he deserves (myself included). Won group races, beat some serious dogs, run some serious times, went to stud at $990 (sometimes as low as $550 I think). Guaranteed would've done a natural/fresh ai if you asked (I have nothing to do with him but have heard the reports on his 1st pups)
I think if you want to back your dog at stud, the first thing you should do is get yourself 6 compatible bitches. Or more.
That can work. JQ but you could be breaking in 50 pups yourself .
Keep 2 from each litter and sell the rest. I can't quite understand why someone would register their dog at stud and then not even use him themselves.
I'll tell you something from back when I was breeding. I had some people contact me, asking if I would use their dog at stud. I was always open to using an unproven sire. But then the offer would usually be $200 off, or $400 off........ Serious??? Where is the incentive to spend tens of thousands whelping, rearing, educating, etc....
People like Andrew Varasdi and Cam Butcher gave free straws for their unproven dogs.
Registering a stud dog in hope, will not work. There's a new champion every week.
It will be interesting to see how Whiskey Riot goes.
Matt James, totally agree on ZZ Brooke. Amazing record, beat the very best consistently, sensational breeding for a stud dog.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 15 Apr 2020 23:11
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Whiskey Riot goes.
Whisky Riot will be fine because he'll get every 2nd Barcia Bale daughter. I personally won't be going near him until he's proven, but that's not gonna make a difference to him
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 16 Apr 2020 01:14
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Matt James wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Whiskey Riot goes.
Whisky Riot will be fine because he'll get every 2nd Barcia Bale daughter. I personally won't be going near him until he's proven, but that's not gonna make a difference to him
sennarchie will be the same, its a numbers game how successful they will be.
Robert Conway Australia (Verified User) Posts 461 Dogs 4 / Races 0 16 Apr 2020 01:25
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phil he is more expensive than some fantastic new sires i hope he will not struggle. plus a condition on a straw
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 16 Apr 2020 01:39
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robert conway wrote:
phil he is more expensive than some fantastic new sires i hope he will not struggle. plus a condition on a straw
me personally wouldn't stop me using him if I was splitting between him and whiskey riot, the 300 difference. I would hate to be trying to set a price on these new sires, you don't want a price that will stop people from using them 2,200 looks like the kick of point
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