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Colour
John Collison Australia (Verified User) Posts 20 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Jun 2020 07:36
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Is it possible when u cross a brindle with a black that u may not get even one brindle offspring
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 12 Jun 2020 08:18
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Yeah definitely possible
John Collison Australia (Verified User) Posts 20 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Jun 2020 08:34
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Sorry Matt but that doesnt really answer my question because you r. using in both your matings black sires to a black & white bitch My question is a Brindle sire to a black bitch
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 12 Jun 2020 10:12
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It's not the same but the 2nd litter was to blazin bomber who come from a litter with 4 black 4 brindle.
Have another magic sprite broodie (black) who went to swift fancy (blue) and didn't produce a blue pup but 2 whites
Honestly I have only ever went to 1 brindle sire (thirty talks) and it was a miss
Maureen Day United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1246 Dogs 4 / Races 4 12 Jun 2020 10:31
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Hi John, I am extremely interested in colour inheritance in greyhounds and Chris Hart in the UK taught me a great deal, most of which he learnt from a guy in Aus whose name I sadly cannot recall (my apologies to him) but if he is still on the forum maybe he can comment.
My recollection is - greyhounds come in three main colours of black, brindled and fawn. White, with any of these colours, is simply the absence of a colour so a whte and black dog is basically a black dog who is missing the colour. Blue is a varient but I cannot recall what I was told about it.
Each pup inherits 2 colour genes, 1 from each parent and for the main 3 colours black is the dominant colour with brindled next and fawn last. To have a fawn pup requires inheriting fawn from both parents.
To answer your question would require knowledge of both colours carried by the sire and dam, not just the colour that they are.
Sorry to "go on" a bit but it is a subject that was once very important to me although I don't actually breed any longer.
If you would either name the dog and bitch on here or send me an email ([email protected]) I would be happy to give you my interpretation of which colour(s) you can expect.
regards, Maureen
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jun 2020 11:41
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It is possible to not get any brindles from a brindle to black mating. The same way you can get fawns from a black to black mating.
Colour genetics come from both parents, check the damline of the bitch and the sire.
I just had a litter of pups - black bitch to black sire. Got 5 blues, 1 fawn and 1 black
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 12 Jun 2020 16:36
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John, type in Tom Flanagan in the search box and you will find 2 pages discussing colour inheritance in dogs. He is the person to give you plenty of information. I'm not sure, however, if he still comes on the forum any more.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Jun 2020 16:54
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G'day John Yes mate,i recall our race bitch Pink Rockstar,having a pup from her first litter to Cosmic Rumble,which was 99.9% white !!,unlikely you would think considering both sire & dam had predominantly Black through their gene's,you're broodie was predominantly black through her gene line & the sire who was brindle,but interestingly, so was Kinloch,but this sire li e seem to throw both black or brindle's,but some litters are all black ,with a splash of white because there is a sire or dam who is black & white.As you know mate,breeding has a touch of mystery attached to it & it can leave us scratching ours heads lol. How are those pups going John ?,...don't forget mate,i got my heart set on that bla...,well..you know the one fingers crossed Lol.Catch up soon mate.
John Collison wrote:
Is it possible when u cross a brindle with a black that u may not get even one brindle offspring
Paul Gebhard United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 613 / Races 81 12 Jun 2020 16:59
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Basic Colour mating to Basic Colour (1) Black to Black May produce pups of the following colours: Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn or any of those colours with white. (but should not produce both brindle and fawn in a litter.) Any of those colours with white.
(2) Dun to Dun (No such mating in greyhounds has been recorded). May produce only Dun coloured pups, or Dun with White. No Blacks. No Blues, No Brindles, No Fawns.
(3) Blue to Blue May produce Blue, Brindle or Fawn or those colours with white, (but not both Brindle and Fawn in the litter.) No Blacks, No Dun, It is also believed that any fawns from such a mating would in fact be Blue Fawn, and that any brindles are likely to be Blue Brindle.
(4) Brindle to Brindle May produce Brindles and Fawns, or those colours with white. No Black, No Dun, No Blue.
(5) Fawn to Fawn May produce Fawn or Fawn with white only pups. No Black, No Dun, No Blue, No Brindle.
(6) Particolour to Particolour(White and ?) May produce White or a basic colour with a great deal of white. No solid or self coloured pups.
(7) Blue Variant to Blue Variant (Blue, Blue Brindle or Blue Fawn) May produce pups of blue variant colour or those colours with white. Blue to Blue Fawn will not produce both Brindle and Fawn in the same litter. No Black, No Dun.
(8) Black to Dun May produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). Should a Brindle pup issue from this mating, it is immediate recognition that one or both of the parents is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(9) Black to Blue May produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). If a Brindle coloured pup issues from this mating, it is immediate recognition that one or both parents is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(10) Black to Brindle May produce Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour.
(11) Black to Fawn May produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). If any Brindle coloured pup issues from this mating, it is immediate recognition the Black coloured parent is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(12) Dun to Blue May produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). If any Brindle coloured pups issue from this mating, then it is immediate recognition that one or both parents is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(13) Dun to Brindle May Produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour.
(14) Dun to Fawn May Produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle, Fawn, or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). If any Brindle coloured pups issue from this mating, then it is immediate recognition that the Dun coloured parent is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(15) Blue to Brindle May produce, Black, Dun, Blue Brindle, Fawn or Particolour.
(16) Blue to Fawn May produce, Black, Dun, Blue, Brindle Fawn, or Particolour (but not both Brindle AND Fawn in the litter). If any Brindle coloured pups issue from this mating, then it is immediate recognition that the Blue coloured parent is unable to produce Fawn coloured pups.
(17) Brindle to Fawn May Produce, Brindle, Fawn or Particolour. No Black, No Dun, No Blue.
Maureen Day United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1246 Dogs 4 / Races 4 12 Jun 2020 19:46
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Carole Brown wrote:
John, type in Tom Flanagan in the search box and you will find 2 pages discussing colour inheritance in dogs. He is the person to give you plenty of information. I'm not sure, however, if he still comes on the forum any more.
Tom Flanagan is the person I could not remember.
Thanks for that Carole. I do hope he still looks in on the forum as it would be nice to say hello.
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