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Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 08 Dec 2020 22:30
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Fernando Bale x Bekim Bale cross is a highly proven one with Tornado Tears , Ripping Sam & Here's Tears etc , if I had a Fernando Bale broodie the first sire I'd use is Bekim Bale or a son of his as there's a good chance of replicating the same success in reverse IMO
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Dec 2020 04:58
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
Fernando Bale x Bekim Bale cross is a highly proven one with Tornado Tears , Ripping Sam & Here's Tears etc , if I had a Fernando Bale broodie the first sire I'd use is Bekim Bale or a son of his as there's a good chance of replicating the same success in reverse IMO
That successful cross has far more to do with the strength of that damline, rather than Bekim Bales input IMO
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 11 Dec 2020 03:41
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The power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree is well on show here...reinforcing the Fernando Bale/Bekim Bale cross. Which sits at 44% city winners to runners!
While Bekim Bale is much maligned...he had freakish ability and was a sire of the year at one stage.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 11 Dec 2020 04:56
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Darren Leeson wrote:
The power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree is well on show here...reinforcing the Fernando Bale/Bekim Bale cross. Which sits at 44% city winners to runners!
While Bekim Bale is much maligned...he had freakish ability and was a sire of the year at one stage.
Not relating to Fernando Broods but Bekim Bale also sire of the dam of Sentenced who won the Qld Derby
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 11 Dec 2020 05:13
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Darren Leeson wrote:
The power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree is well on show here...reinforcing the Fernando Bale/Bekim Bale cross. Which sits at 44% city winners to runners!
While Bekim Bale is much maligned...he had freakish ability and was a sire of the year at one stage.
That stat is completely irrelevant. With the incredible Bekim Bale daughter Tears Siam going to Fernando Bale 3 times and having a huge influence on those numbers.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 11 Dec 2020 21:20
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
The power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree is well on show here...reinforcing the Fernando Bale/Bekim Bale cross. Which sits at 44% city winners to runners!
While Bekim Bale is much maligned...he had freakish ability and was a sire of the year at one stage.
That stat is completely irrelevant. With the incredible Bekim Bale daughter Tears Siam going to Fernando Bale 3 times and having a huge influence on those numbers.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 12 Dec 2020 03:42
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
The power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree is well on show here...reinforcing the Fernando Bale/Bekim Bale cross. Which sits at 44% city winners to runners!
While Bekim Bale is much maligned...he had freakish ability and was a sire of the year at one stage.
That stat is completely irrelevant. With the incredible Bekim Bale daughter Tears Siam going to Fernando Bale 3 times and having a huge influence on those numbers.
None of those three pedigrees are examples of what you are suggesting.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 12 Dec 2020 06:22
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Paul Dicks wrote:
That stat is completely irrelevant. With the incredible Bekim Bale daughter Tears Siam going to Fernando Bale 3 times and having a huge influence on those numbers.
Paul's right.
111 "Metropolitan Full Stake" (MFS) city wins have been recorder (the ones that count not Provincial meetings) by FB x BB broods with 79 of those wins coming from the Tears Siam litters (so far), and there's a 4th litter to come.
That only leaves 32 MFS city wins between the remaining 17 "Race Age" litters with a total combined pups of 127 or 1.88 MFS city wins per litter.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 12 Dec 2020 07:57
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My point was the power of Bekim Bale in a pedigree...the Fernando Bale nick with Bekim was a sidebar to my point about Bekim Bale.
What exactly is a MFS Steve? Can you elaborate of which meetings youre counting?
So, excluding Tears Siam, its 1.88 city wins or winners per litter? Whats the average size litter 5 / 5.5 / 6? Still must be batting above the all comers to Fernando %...no?
How can you exclude a brood from the stats...the rest of the sires have champion broods making up their stats!!
Bekim Bale brood owners whom have bred from their Bekim girls have been rewarded. Not all Bekim Bale broods bred have top notch form...
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 12 Dec 2020 23:34
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Darren Leeson wrote:
What exactly is a MFS Steve? Can you elaborate of which meetings youre counting?
As clearly stated above
steven martin wrote:
"Metropolitan Full Stake" (MFS)
Darren Leeson wrote:
How can you exclude a brood from the stats..
I'm using it as an example only to show what the "Percentages" looks like when you take away the bitch in question.
Darren Leeson wrote:
Whats the average size litter 5 / 5.5 / 6?
As clearly stated above
steven martin wrote:
remaining 17 "Race Age" litters with a total combined pups of 127
So that makes it 127 divided by 17 which = 7.47 ppl
Darren Leeson wrote:
Bekim Bale brood owners whom have bred from their Bekim girls have been rewarded. Not all Bekim Bale broods bred have top notch form...
Never said they didn't. We're talking about the breakdown of FB x BB matings.....not the total picture or race form.
And I agree. BB bitches seem to breed above average.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
