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Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1438 Dogs 24 / Races 126 16 Jul 2020 08:40
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Not many FB broods have been bred with yet, but having a USA sire line, what sires will suit his daughters ?
Cheers
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 16 Jul 2020 11:42
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Don't no Ant. Haven't had a good look......But more than 70 of his daughters have whelped litters so far with Barcia Bale being used more than double to any other sire at this early stage. Aston Dee Bee is the next favourite... with Collision, Zipping Garth & Orson Bale next on the list.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 17 Jul 2020 07:10
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Anthony McVicker wrote:
Not many FB broods have been bred with yet, but having a USA sire line, what sires will suit his daughters ?
Cheers
Anthony id grab one of the last few Collision straws that's still available,
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 17 Jul 2020 07:54
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Hi Mick, Im not challenging you ,but genuinely interest in your thoughts.Any views on sennachie. For FB bitches.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 17 Jul 2020 08:38
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Id imagine the first sire to click with FB girls will cash in as there will be a lot to follow.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 17 Jul 2020 11:21
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Hi Mick, Im not challenging you ,but genuinely interest in your thoughts
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 18 Jul 2020 02:20
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Hi Mick, Im not challenging you ,but genuinely interest in your thoughts.Any views on sennachie. For FB bitches.
hi Jack. i think collision has done well. when put to broods with import blood , and done well to Fernando bale bitches as well,
the reason id use collision is , theres not many straws left , he can throw some good types, and are generally easy to breakin and chase well ,
there is a lot of new sires around and im sure in time plenty will prove suitable for Fernando bitches ,
for myself personally i only look at proven sires for any mating ,
been burnt too often with unproven sires,, happy to pay the premium once proven ,
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jul 2020 03:39
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Why would anyone go past Zambora Brockie. Chase and they are strong.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 18 Jul 2020 03:50
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Just on how well proven it is in reverse (Fernando to cosmic rumble broodies) cosmic rumble could be a sire to suit
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 18 Jul 2020 04:19
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Thanks mate.i wonder if their is there a brave breeder who would like to keep a bitch as a future Brodie 2x2 FB ..That would be going to sennachie.George Schofield and Mary had some interesting dogs in the 60s putting a son of shans view over a daughter of shans view.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 18 Jul 2020 06:36
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Thanks mate.i wonder if their is there a brave breeder who would like to keep a bitch as a future Brodie 2x2 FB ..That would be going to sennachie.George Schofield and Mary had some interesting dogs in the 60s putting a son of shans view over a daughter of shans view.
thats a breeding we used to do all the time . when we were breeding RED CANARIES, not sure about greyhounds Jack lol
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15477 Dogs 0 / Races 1 19 Jul 2020 20:07
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Hi Mick, I think it could be ok except Tasmania.
John Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 3490 Dogs 945 / Races 0 23 Jul 2020 06:40
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in my opinion Fernando bale bitchs will suit Barcia bale dyna double one magic sprite and comic rumble.aston de be.hooked on scotch. simon told helen.orson allen good odds harada.
Jason Lymbery Australia (Verified User) Posts 429 Dogs 12 / Races 0 27 Jul 2020 22:00
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What about turanza bale
Douglas Campbell United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3940 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Aug 2020 21:15
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Any thoughts on Ballymac Vic if he is available in Oz , or even Kinloch Brae himself ?
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2138 / Races 9672 21 Aug 2020 23:02
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But is the highly proven reinforcement of the Spiral Nikita/Minnies Surprise cross (as found in Milldean Panther) more to do with the success of Epic Hero than anything else?????
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 21 Aug 2020 23:23
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But, as you well know David, its the sum of all parts. While the cross you mentioned is an obvious big player...not just Milldean Panther, but the double even triple of Spiral Nikita and dam Minnies Nikita is well proven to produce top class. You only need look at Paul Wheeler using Roanokee over Dyna Patty to see what he thinks is a big driving force behind Fernando Bale. And its in Epic Hero as well.
Michael Eberand Australia (Verified User) Posts 845 Dogs 3 / Races 0 22 Aug 2020 03:08
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Fernando Bale over Aussie Infrared's dam has produced Ebby Jet Power. So Aussie over a Fernando girl, would be the reverse, but with Bella Infrared genes over Gable Dodge genes thrown in.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 23 Aug 2020 06:14
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Re Epic Hero:
If you look at Bartolo's top bitch Sweet About Me(x Two Up Larry) in Epic Hero's damline you'll see a massive 97% niche between Two Up Larry and Top Honcho(illustrated using Larry's sister Ange Jones) CLICK HERE .
So Epic Hero's grandsire Slip the Lark through his damline is reintroducing Two up Larry within 5 generations through different individuals in Top Honcho's pedigree, back into the same damline that Larry was so influential with 14 years ago. When this is done through different individuals at very high percentages(greater than 88%), it seems to create an enormous amount of vigour within the pedigree. It's not sole reason for Epic Hero's success but it's a great place to start.
The 97% niche is not only made up of Head Honcho, Waverly Supreme, 2x doses of Temlee and Tangairn seen highlighted in red, but also Zimbabwe and Come on Wonder, sire of Touch of Ireland, that are also cross duplicated if you look at the blood quota table below. So Two Up Larry carries different individuals that covers 15.5 of the 16 lines(97%) in Top Honcho's pedigree in the 5th generation.
The only line in Top Honcho's pedigree not cross duplicated in 5 generations through different individuals is ironically Touch of Ireland's dam(line).
Damlines (going up the sires) pedigree need to reintroduce sires through different individuals that have been previously successful with the broodies damline. These breeding parallels are what keep damlines 'alive' imo.
Sires whoever they are, are just vehicles that carry damlines the brood bitches damline needs, to in turn create vigour and intensity within the pedigree you are creating.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
