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Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 07 Aug 2020 23:05
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Mark Staines wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch, not only was he a freak on the race track his pedigree is 2nd to none , he'll upgrade alot of bitches & is a no brainer for smart breeders IMO , as for people saying they'll wait till he's proven I didn't hear anyone say that about Aston Dee Bee , Mepunga Blazer etc LMAO ,I can't wait to use him as I've got 'The Bitch' for him.
my comment about waiting till proven, relates to ALL SIRES
"SPOT ON BRANKO"
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 07 Aug 2020 23:23
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Yes Mick but unfortunately some Veterans of this forum want to rave on about other Sires besides the topic that being "HOOKED ON SCOTCH"
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 07 Aug 2020 23:27
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Mark Staines wrote:
Yes Mick but unfortunately some Veterans of this forum want to rave on about other Sires besides the topic that being "HOOKED ON SCOTCH"
agree Mark, some get very easily mislead and go off topic lol i think the dog has done well enough to have his own exclusive TOPIC
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 07 Aug 2020 23:31
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Then this topic has pretty much been exhausted then....not a lot more to say
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 07 Aug 2020 23:40
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch, not only was he a freak on the race track his pedigree is 2nd to none , he'll upgrade alot of bitches & is a no brainer for smart breeders IMO , as for people saying they'll wait till he's proven I didn't hear anyone say that about Aston Dee Bee , Mepunga Blazer etc LMAO ,I can't wait to use him as I've got 'The Bitch' for him.
Hooked on Scotch will get a heap of services just off people with Fernando broods. But it won't be long and people will have Hooked on Scotch, Simon Told Helen, shima shine, shima bar, raw ability, beast unleashed, fast times, mepunga blazer, aston dee bee, dyna double one, Ritza Lenny and probably a few more Barcia Bale sons to choose from. Some will throw good attributes, some won't
But I don't blame people for waiting to see on what Hooked On Scotch produces before using him because yes you're right people rushed in to Aston, Mepunga and DDO before seeing what attributes they'd add/take away and not everyone is overly happy with the results.
Aston is so far throwing a lot of short coursers but adding speed and chase so a 700m broodie is gold. DDO has a lot of barkers but adds stamina so if you have a laid back broodie he's good. And Mepunga pups can be a little bit full on but he's adding chase and stamina so if you have a bit spooky or weak in a field broodie he's great. But this was all unknown about them until people used them so if you waited and seen you'll have to pay a higher stud fee but you have the benefit of knowing a little bit about the progeny
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 08 Aug 2020 01:30
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Matt James wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch, not only was he a freak on the race track his pedigree is 2nd to none , he'll upgrade alot of bitches & is a no brainer for smart breeders IMO , as for people saying they'll wait till he's proven I didn't hear anyone say that about Aston Dee Bee , Mepunga Blazer etc LMAO ,I can't wait to use him as I've got 'The Bitch' for him.
Hooked on Scotch will get a heap of services just off people with Fernando broods. But it won't be long and people will have Hooked on Scotch, Simon Told Helen, shima shine, shima bar, raw ability, beast unleashed, fast times, mepunga blazer, aston dee bee, dyna double one, Ritza Lenny and probably a few more Barcia Bale sons to choose from. Some will throw good attributes, some won't
But I don't blame people for waiting to see on what Hooked On Scotch produces before using him because yes you're right people rushed in to Aston, Mepunga and DDO before seeing what attributes they'd add/take away and not everyone is overly happy with the results.
Aston is so far throwing a lot of short coursers but adding speed and chase so a 700m broodie is gold. DDO has a lot of barkers but adds stamina so if you have a laid back broodie he's good. And Mepunga pups can be a little bit full on but he's adding chase and stamina so if you have a bit spooky or weak in a field broodie he's great. But this was all unknown about them until people used them so if you waited and seen you'll have to pay a higher stud fee but you have the benefit of knowing a little bit about the progeny
higher stud fee when proven 2/3 thousand ? wasted litter say 20/30 thousand depending on numbers , not to mention the two years of time waste , there is plenty of new and small breeders who haven't been burnt yet ,so by all means use unproven sires take your chance ,
then there are large breeders who can smother a failed litter in their numbers ,
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 08 Aug 2020 01:45
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Exactly mate. People will use him but I'll be taking a wait and see attitude on Hooked On Scotch and if he's unbelievable at stud for the people that take the punt on him good luck to them. He's $2200 unproven, if he's $3300 proven it's a small price to pay
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 00:59
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Matt James wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch, not only was he a freak on the race track his pedigree is 2nd to none , he'll upgrade alot of bitches & is a no brainer for smart breeders IMO , as for people saying they'll wait till he's proven I didn't hear anyone say that about Aston Dee Bee , Mepunga Blazer etc LMAO ,I can't wait to use him as I've got 'The Bitch' for him.
Hooked on Scotch will get a heap of services just off people with Fernando broods. But it won't be long and people will have Hooked on Scotch, Simon Told Helen, shima shine, shima bar, raw ability, beast unleashed, fast times, mepunga blazer, aston dee bee, dyna double one, Ritza Lenny and probably a few more Barcia Bale sons to choose from. Some will throw good attributes, some won't
But I don't blame people for waiting to see on what Hooked On Scotch produces before using him because yes you're right people rushed in to Aston, Mepunga and DDO before seeing what attributes they'd add/take away and not everyone is overly happy with the results.
Aston is so far throwing a lot of short coursers but adding speed and chase so a 700m broodie is gold. DDO has a lot of barkers but adds stamina so if you have a laid back broodie he's good. And Mepunga pups can be a little bit full on but he's adding chase and stamina so if you have a bit spooky or weak in a field broodie he's great. But this was all unknown about them until people used them so if you waited and seen you'll have to pay a higher stud fee but you have the benefit of knowing a little bit about the progeny
Matt James , Hooked On Scotch's service fee will probably be more like $4000 when he's proven & won't be surprised he throws majority of 500m plus dogs & we'll never know what distance he could of ran up to due to his career being cut short to injury , In regards to Aston Dee Bee I'm not surprised he's mostly throwing very speedy dogs over 400m as i hinted that he'd do that when he started his stud career as I questioned (on social media) whether or not he'll produce strong race dogs (500m plus) but was bombarded by lots of industry members who called me every name under the sun & so far have been vindicated & still believe till this day that Aston's best pups will be from strong bitches that he served ie 600m plus winners , sad how these days so many can people mistakenly think someone sharing their opinion automatically means that person doesn't like a specific stud dog when it couldn't be further from the truth nonetheless we're spoiled for choice in the stud ranks & we're in for some interesting times ahead breeding & racing wise.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 09 Aug 2020 01:08
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Michael Barry wrote:
Matt James wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch, not only was he a freak on the race track his pedigree is 2nd to none , he'll upgrade alot of bitches & is a no brainer for smart breeders IMO , as for people saying they'll wait till he's proven I didn't hear anyone say that about Aston Dee Bee , Mepunga Blazer etc LMAO ,I can't wait to use him as I've got 'The Bitch' for him.
Hooked on Scotch will get a heap of services just off people with Fernando broods. But it won't be long and people will have Hooked on Scotch, Simon Told Helen, shima shine, shima bar, raw ability, beast unleashed, fast times, mepunga blazer, aston dee bee, dyna double one, Ritza Lenny and probably a few more Barcia Bale sons to choose from. Some will throw good attributes, some won't
But I don't blame people for waiting to see on what Hooked On Scotch produces before using him because yes you're right people rushed in to Aston, Mepunga and DDO before seeing what attributes they'd add/take away and not everyone is overly happy with the results.
Aston is so far throwing a lot of short coursers but adding speed and chase so a 700m broodie is gold. DDO has a lot of barkers but adds stamina so if you have a laid back broodie he's good. And Mepunga pups can be a little bit full on but he's adding chase and stamina so if you have a bit spooky or weak in a field broodie he's great. But this was all unknown about them until people used them so if you waited and seen you'll have to pay a higher stud fee but you have the benefit of knowing a little bit about the progeny
higher stud fee when proven 2/3 thousand ? wasted litter say 20/30 thousand depending on numbers , not to mention the two years of time waste , there is plenty of new and small breeders who haven't been burnt yet ,so by all means use unproven sires take your chance ,
then there are large breeders who can smother a failed litter in their numbers ,
just to clarify my point , i got no idea what his stud fee will be , nor do i care , i wont be using him until proven,,
what i meant with 2/3 thousand was , that may be the premium i have to pay once proven, thats above what ever his unproven fee may be
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 05:01
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Matt are your comments derived from watching stud dogs when they were racing or watching their offspring or both ?
Not at all having a go at you as I love reading your comments, just wondering how your opinions of which types of bitches suit which studs are formed. Cheers.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 09 Aug 2020 05:44
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I gauge my opinion mainly seeing what a stud dogs offspring are like in the rearing yards, but also a mixture of the sires racing patterns, their offspings racing patterns and just word of mouth around the tracks
As stupid as it sounds with his record I'm not convinced on Hooked On Scotch. But I'm more than happy to be wrong and if his offspring have good temperaments and good attributes regarding chase I'll be 1st in line to use him
Bronwyn Welsh Australia (Verified User) Posts 140 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 06:57
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Can someone who know a bit about HOS tell me what his temperament and manners are like?? Im seriously interested.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 09 Aug 2020 07:05
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
In regards to Aston Dee Bee I'm not surprised he's mostly throwing very speedy dogs over 400m as i hinted that he'd do that when he started his stud career as I questioned (on social media) whether or not he'll produce strong race dogs (500m plus) but was bombarded by lots of industry members who called me every name under the sun & so far have been vindicated & still believe till this day that Aston's best pups will be from strong bitches that he served ie 600m plus winners , sad how these days so many can people mistakenly think someone sharing their opinion automatically means that person doesn't like a specific stud dog when it couldn't be further from the truth nonetheless we're spoiled for choice in the stud ranks & we're in for some interesting times ahead breeding & racing wise.
Totally agree Branko.
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch
Lol
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 07:18
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$2200. Bargain!!
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 09 Aug 2020 07:39
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Interesting difference of opinion. On the face value of it...watching Zambora Brockie, youd go along way to find a harder chaser than Brockie! Id have expected that to be put into his pups.
Hooked On Scotch is well documented, but had that freak quality. Going to be very interesting to see how he performs at stud. He has many positives...a sire line that seems to be producing a heap of sires which have fast offspring.
Then, he comes from a dam line which has produced a stack of sires...some great, some fair. And as I mentioned above...carrying Droopys Kewell, would definitely be a reason Frightful Flash Kennels purchased his half brother Out Of Range. Beccuse many a successful sire in Ireland/UK carries Droopys Kewell...
Id say at worst Hooked On Scotch will be the equal of these sires in Ireland. Droopys Kewell in him matches many lines throughout Australia!
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 08:36
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Matt James wrote:
I gauge my opinion mainly seeing what a stud dogs offspring are like in the rearing yards, but also a mixture of the sires racing patterns, their offspings racing patterns and just word of mouth around the tracks.....
That's about as good as it gets as far as having an opinion on an outcome from a pup perspective goes. Someone I know put his skittish bitch to MB and the result at only 8mths of age is as you called it. Thx Matt I really enjoy reading what you write, and as you say if you're wrong you're wrong, at least you've had a go. Cheers.
Brett Hastie Australia (Verified User) Posts 297 Dogs 17 / Races 9 09 Aug 2020 19:14
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Kind of like when someone used to mention margins at every possible opportunity regardless of thread topic?
Interesting point you make.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Aug 2020 20:37
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HOS is a son of Barcia Bale and a half brother to Out of Range and Poke The Bear
Therefore, all sons of Barcia at stud and his two half brothers can be drawn into the conversation for comparison
That's where I am coming from
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 09 Aug 2020 23:42
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steven martin wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
In regards to Aston Dee Bee I'm not surprised he's mostly throwing very speedy dogs over 400m as i hinted that he'd do that when he started his stud career as I questioned (on social media) whether or not he'll produce strong race dogs (500m plus) but was bombarded by lots of industry members who called me every name under the sun & so far have been vindicated & still believe till this day that Aston's best pups will be from strong bitches that he served ie 600m plus winners , sad how these days so many can people mistakenly think someone sharing their opinion automatically means that person doesn't like a specific stud dog when it couldn't be further from the truth nonetheless we're spoiled for choice in the stud ranks & we're in for some interesting times ahead breeding & racing wise.
Totally agree Branko.
Branko Lezaja wrote:
Getting tired of seeing comments on here about other stud dogs as this thread is about Superstar Hooked On Scotch
Lol
Steven , "Nice Job" distorting my earlier comment like a true msm journalist, you conveniently left out what I said about Hooked On Scotch & focused solely on the ADB portion of my comment lol
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 10 Aug 2020 10:40
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Fast dog & I hope he goes well at stud but his record still has a fail to chase against it at the Meadows & he never raced there again. In saying that he was as fast a dog ive seen for a long while and with a clear run I think hed beat all previous mentioned dogs on this thread.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
