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John Tierney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 169 Dogs 7 / Races 0 01 Oct 2020 17:39
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
Darwin would be rolling over in his grave. The human race is where it is today because the smartest, fitest, fastest, healthiest, strongest and best have survived and reproduced.
Darwin's theory has been totally debunked by the discovery of genetics and dna. He said every species evolved from a single cell. Its been proven to be false.
As for his conclusion that the strongest survive, can you honestly look at the current generation, who are terrified of getting a flu, who get offended at everything, who can't fight unless they have 6 of their mates to back then up, and cannot survive 1 hour without their smart phone. Now compare that to just over 100 years ago, when 15yo boys were pretending to be 18yo boys, just to enlist in the army and fight for their country. The same boys who left school at 13 to go wood cutting or shearing. I think the strongest have died off.
And although putting Fernando Bale over a group winning bitch will get you $15,000 for a pup, it's no guarantee they will be any faster than any other pup.
brilliant post- we are no ways the equal of the people 100 years ago-4 live out of 16- fight in 2 wars- become miollionaires out of nothing etc
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 02 Oct 2020 06:00
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 02 Oct 2020 09:30
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john tierney wrote:
Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
Darwin would be rolling over in his grave. The human race is where it is today because the smartest, fitest, fastest, healthiest, strongest and best have survived and reproduced.
Darwin's theory has been totally debunked by the discovery of genetics and dna. He said every species evolved from a single cell. Its been proven to be false.
As for his conclusion that the strongest survive, can you honestly look at the current generation, who are terrified of getting a flu, who get offended at everything, who can't fight unless they have 6 of their mates to back then up, and cannot survive 1 hour without their smart phone. Now compare that to just over 100 years ago, when 15yo boys were pretending to be 18yo boys, just to enlist in the army and fight for their country. The same boys who left school at 13 to go wood cutting or shearing. I think the strongest have died off.
And although putting Fernando Bale over a group winning bitch will get you $15,000 for a pup, it's no guarantee they will be any faster than any other pup.
brilliant post- we are no ways the equal of the people 100 years ago-4 live out of 16- fight in 2 wars- become miollionaires out of nothing etc
Just noticed this. Unless you are a creationist Darwin's theory is the best we have and will ever know.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 03 Oct 2020 09:40
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So is breeding inside the square simply using a proven high priced sire and breeding outside the square using a left field sire? Or it there more to this new breeding theory?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 03 Oct 2020 19:33
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Its more you can achieve the same thing from alternative paths. Plenty of examples in this topic to show that!
Little Denver and Frosty Friday
Worth Doing / Farmer Wilson / Chicago Blue / Rapid Journey
Then you have different price points: Fernando Bale ($6-9,000), Black Magic Opal (P.O.A), Fabregas ($2500-3300) ALL carrying Awesome Assassin and Head Honcho in their dams When all 3 mated bitches carrying Big Daddy Cool they produced Group 1 class...
Tommy Shelby, Slingshot Hammer (Fernando Bale)
True Detective (Black Magic Opal)
No donuts, Pindari Express, Shes Gifted (Fabregas)
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 03 Oct 2020 21:55
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Heres an interesting alternative to Fernando Bale - EXTERNAL LINK
US sIre (carrying same key ingredients) over a brood carrying Primo Uno, Awesome Assassin, Head Honcho and same distant Irish lines! ALL the key ingredients behind the success of Fernando Bale at stud!
As this topic has shown a dog like Perfect Marshall could easily sire G1 winners, just like Fernando Bale...because he can match pedigrees the same as Fernando Bale does!!
Would be very interesting to see a bitch carrying Big Daddy Cool go to Perfect Marshall...see if he could do the same as Fernando Bale, Black Magic Opal and Fabregas above....
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 03 Oct 2020 22:12
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Key ingredients?
EXTERNAL LINK I do agree with your theory but to me KB and KF don't have much in common.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 03 Oct 2020 22:49
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Simon - you have to look a lot harder than just the red colour...they correlate very well with each other - EXTERNAL LINK
Not too mention the correlation with the dams - Primo Uno, Awesome Assassin, Head Honcho...like Irish genes...
Perfect Marshall offers a great alternative to Fernando Bale.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 03 Oct 2020 23:28
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 03 Oct 2020 23:37
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Worm Burner has similar characteristics, but nowhere near as close to Fernando Bale as Perfect Marshall! But, good find...Worm Burner has hit some targets early days at stud!
Not just Sennachie shows the correlation between Kelsos Fusileer and Kinloch Brae, but Farmor Beach does as well - EXTERNAL LINK
Sennachie and Farmor Beach arguably Fernando Bales two fastest offspring...
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 04 Oct 2020 03:06
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 04 Oct 2020 03:35
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Still falls a good way short of Perfect Marshall in comparison to Fernando Bale!!
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Oct 2020 07:08
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Any other Out of the square iconic Pedigrees by the Irish legendary Pat Dalton ? I know PAW admiration for him and was somewhat influenced by this legend
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 07 Oct 2020 10:04
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Whelped in 2019 by a sire whelped in 2001.
Ive mentioned elsewhere on Data the cross between Fabregas and Big Daddy Cool produces 32% city winners to pups born. In comparison #1 sire Fernando Bale produces 20% city winners to pups born to any random blood.
This one looks likely to win in the city in the not to distant future...
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
