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Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2020 04:16
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More BS for you Paul My Father imported yound dogs from Ireland for London Harringay. Dad used an agent at Harolds Cross. Irish agents that were successful knew bloodlines fluently, those agents that ignored bloodlines didnt last too long.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 19 Sep 2020 04:46
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What were those successful dogs Graham? Back your statements up with examples
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2020 05:01
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Paul Dicks wrote:
What were those successful dogs Graham? Back your statements up with examples
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2020 05:05
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Paul sorry to disappoint you but I do not class myself as a breeding guru. However I have a good appreciation of bloodlines going way back, yes I have opinions just like you. Sad you cant see what I can
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 19 Sep 2020 05:29
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Paul sorry to disappoint you but I do not class myself as a breeding guru. However I have a good appreciation of bloodlines going way back, yes I have opinions just like you. Sad you cant see what I can
It has been a interesting topic with each person having there own opinions so let me throw a CURVEBALL into the discussions.
Many of the old lines were ring ins .IMO When a well known Brood was bred with many would add pups to each litter this was a well known thing back in the day .
Old Keith Warburton well known Greyhound man from up at Tatura way may he RIP told me about his good bitch that was stolen and he never seen her again this was the norm back in the day many were out to make a fast buck Who knows who is who because we still have not got the DNA information gathered many years ago by Gavin Fitzpatrick IT STILL REMAINS A CLOSED BOOK...
We all know that many back in the day some studmasters and Sires never missed a bitch sometimes backing up day after day to serve the needs of all but many were mated to brothers or same colour Greyhound to ensure they never missed .
It has been proven that Stud masters cheated the breeders over the years..They ripped a lot of people off ...IMO
Years ago people breed to the closet Sire they could and what they could afford at the time ..
Many did not have books to help guide them with sire choices so no one can tell me the Greyhound was bred by breeding the best with the best.
Only when we can see the DNA records that we will further see just how wrong we truly are ...IMO
Today we have frozen semen and we are now seeing Past Sires throwing better today years after they have passed because maybe at the time it was the wrong timing so maybe we should look at what Frozen semen has done for the breed today because then we do truly see the huge change and swing we see at present in all our fastest hounds IMO we can now breed the best with the best only because of frozen .
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5910 Dogs 12949 / Races 40209 19 Sep 2020 05:38
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In my opinion the expression "Breeding Guru" is used far to often these days. Liam Dowling, the Ballymac man from Ireland and Paul Wheeler from Australia are the only ones I would attach the term "Breeding Guru" to at the moment. Both these guys have developed or maintained strong bitch lines for generations and have set up future bloodlines for years to come.
There are several people out there that know a lot about bloodlines and these people are a valuable aid in helping us with our sire selections but as they will tell you they are not "Breeding Gurus".
I think anyone coming onto a forum and trying to help others has to be a good thing and it is appreciated.
The person that knows all about breeding, rearing and training has not been born yet.
We need to respect each others views take whatever information we want from what they are saying, it's called learning which we all should never stop doing.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 19 Sep 2020 05:47
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Tony Gallagher wrote:
In my opinion the expression "Breeding Guru" is used far to often these days. Liam Dowling, the Ballymac man from Ireland and Paul Wheeler from Australia are the only ones I would attach the term "Breeding Guru" to at the moment. Both these guys have developed or maintained strong bitch lines for generations and have set up future bloodlines for years to come.
There are several people out there that know a lot about bloodlines and these people are a valuable aid in helping us with our sire selections but as they will tell you they are not "Breeding Gurus".
I think anyone coming onto a forum and trying to help others has to be a good thing and it is appreciated.
The person that knows all about breeding, rearing and training has not been born yet.
We need to respect each others views take whatever information we want from what they are saying, it's called learning which we all should never stop doing.
"What is the secret to eternal happiness?" The wise Guru answered: "To not argue with fools."
The man says: "I disagree."
The wise Guru replied:
"Yes, you are right."
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 19 Sep 2020 06:09
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I don't think anyone is arguing. Free and open discussion, with people having differing opinions is healthy and enlightening. Nothing better than throwing an opposing theory into a debate to spark things up.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2020 06:36
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Paul Dicks wrote:
I don't think anyone is arguing. Free and open discussion, with people having differing opinions is healthy and enlightening. Nothing better than throwing an opposing theory into a debate to spark things up.
In other words you just wanted a laugh by stir, you have nothing constructive to offer
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 19 Sep 2020 07:23
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Far from it. I think I've been able to add a different perspective to the topic. I'm not being contrary or rude.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2020 07:43
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Far from it. I think I've been able to add a different perspective to the topic. I'm not being contrary or rude.
Paul To me Your perspective is negative and critical without any positivity or substance Looking forward for some enjoyable posts from you that we can learn a bit.
Kevin yes ringins big time, plenty false pedigrees in the past
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 19 Sep 2020 07:49
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I find your perspective reasonable and interesting, but then again I'm open minded and willing to accept deferring opinions.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 19 Sep 2020 09:10
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Importing Semen from Countries where DNA profiling did not exist at the time !!!!!! Are they DNA profiling Sires in the USA and IRELAND these days ? Australia was the first regarding DNA profiling of Greyhounds by years !!!! In the 70's and earlier a lot of Broods were sent too Studs via Train, a lot of good faith relied on in those days imo !!!!!
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 19 Sep 2020 10:01
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While there would and has been proven to be dishonest studmasters. Its a bit like society in general. You like to think and have faith the majority of society are fair minded and good people. Why would greyhound racing be any different to the rest of general society?
As for the dishonest ones...the chances would be high that most of these types of matings would have been just slow wastage and you wouldnt think affect the integrity of the pedigree database that much.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 19 Sep 2020 10:05
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"Now that is wishful thinking"
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 19 Sep 2020 10:25
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So basically the greyhound game back then was just Long Bay Jail??
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 19 Sep 2020 10:47
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Mark Staines wrote:
Importing Semen from Countries where DNA profiling did not exist at the time !!!!!! Are they DNA profiling Sires in the USA and IRELAND these days ? Australia was the first regarding DNA profiling of Greyhounds by years !!!! In the 70's and earlier a lot of Broods were sent too Studs via Train, a lot of good faith relied on in those days imo !!!!!
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 19 Sep 2020 10:50
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Darren Leeson wrote:
While there would and has been proven to be dishonest studmasters. Its a bit like society in general. You like to think and have faith the majority of society are fair minded and good people. Why would greyhound racing be any different to the rest of general society?
As for the dishonest ones...the chances would be high that most of these types of matings would have been just slow wastage and you wouldnt think affect the integrity of the pedigree database that much.
To answer your question, because money was involved.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 19 Sep 2020 10:59
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I think Paul's views are fair & reasonable.
Yes, Dixie likes to dangle a carrot from time to time but when that happens, you won't need to put your glasses on.
There's nothing wrong with looking outside the square when it comes to opinions.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 19 Sep 2020 11:03
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Paul easy money is involved everywhere in life. Why we have jails full of those types. The way people are carrying on here...its like the whole of society belongs in jail??
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
