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Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Sep 2020 09:41
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Were talking dam lines here in a dam line position. So only the true blue hens are likely to show up in that position Id imagine
Sobbing Sal &/or Wee Sal
National Queen &/or Bay Road Queen
Golden Fox &/or Travelling Girl
Gold Rush Bale &/or Jindara Bale
If its sires then breed shapers like - Temlee, Bowetzel, Brother Fox, Chariot Supreme, New Tears, Amerigo Man, Head Honcho, Malawis Prince, Awesome Assassin, Brett Lee, would be the most likely to have been bred 3 x 3.
But, theyre your stats. So by all means list your best %
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 22 Sep 2020 11:33
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I thought you/we were talking about the one damline, & one damline only, Rumble Spirit....that's why I said name your sires.
Your list is out of the question.
My offer has now been withdrawn.
Computor says no.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Sep 2020 20:22
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Haha, all good! Im not wanting you to divulge all your hard work.
Just on a common sense approach, you would presume the stats wouldnt be great breeding 3 x 3...especially on a dam line. But, I stand to be corrected. Its not something you tend to see everyday of the week breeding. Especially in top offspring.
Interesting to look at Allen Wheeler bred Nimrod Boy...he pulled off 3 x 3 Top Linen and 3 x 3 Magic Babe
Paul Wheeler bred Rufus Bale 3 x 3 Benjamin John, but with outcross top and bottom. As did Dennis Reid breed Mr. Boswell 3 x 3 Brother Fox, with outcross top and bottom.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 23 Sep 2020 09:53
Rysta was a very good dog i tried to buy a Vial off Geoff 5 odd years ago so its good to see a litter by him .
W.H. O'Donnell nickname Billy sent semen over many years ago
His bloodline is interesting but its very old USA blood now .
The interesting blood is through his Irish side see how close it is to Downing and US great Hoefer. I will be following this litter with interest
Old things are better than new things, because they've got stories in them
What we are seeing is that Old Sire's and bloodlines have a real chance of throwing better dogs now than what they did in the past this is why Frozen semen is so important today IMO
David Brasch Australia (Team Member) Posts 844 Dogs 2138 / Races 9672 23 Sep 2020 22:01
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 23 Sep 2020 23:50
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Not many examples. And you dont see too many popping up in top offspring of a sire. Malawis Prince is interesting...as hes not that inbred himself. Same with Gold Rush Bale carrying outcross top and bottom.
My proposed mating is 3 x 4 litter bro-sis Ace Hi Rumble / Spiritual Rumble...so nicely receded...with outcross top and bottom.
Guess its for Steve to chime in and let us know if they are good on the percentages or not.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Sep 2020 05:43
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While the interlude continues
CLICK HERE Bred out of the square? Great race dog went to stud threw metro winners but little sign of him in todays top knotch race dogs pedigree Was it just another abrupt end of a Promising Waverley Supreme strain. ?
CLICK HERE Beautiful pedigree and Champion race dog. Was he the last hope of Waverley Supreme strain or just ignored by leading breeders ? Token Prince last and now dwindling flickering in modern bloodlines? What your thoughts.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 24 Sep 2020 06:28
With him in Dyna Double One, My Bro Fabio, Mogambo and Dyna Lachlan. Hes sure to be around in pedigrees for awhile.
Actually, both Tritt Tritt and Teddy Monelli lend weight to the already mentioned great nick between My Bro Fabio and Bekim Bale...all carrying the MBF / Sonic Flight cross!
Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnt used much.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 25 Sep 2020 21:09
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Are Fernando Bale and Fanta Bale somewhat outside the square breedings...in that the dams were hardly premier Wheeler bitches that people have banged on about. Mated to absolutely non-commercial sires for two of the greatest of all time? And arguably the two best Wheeler has ever bred...
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Sep 2020 23:34
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Hi Darren Chloe Allen not out or the square but 3rd dam Regina Bale was. IMO Ucme Typhoon 5th Dam Benatar was bred out of the square IMO EXTERNAL LINKEXTERNAL LINK So yes Both FB on the outer of square
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 26 Sep 2020 06:23
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Could be wrong Graham, but have a feeling Regina Bale was a moderately performed Wenty winner...or Im thinking of another Wheeler one??
Still reckon theyre both borderline outside the square...the bitches had a modicum of ability, but nothing to suggest they were capable of producing what they did! And not many were interested in both the sires of Fernando and Fanta!
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 26 Sep 2020 08:36
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Sent you a PM Darren
Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnt used much.
Still when you look at top offspring of any sire...you rarely if ever see such up close breeding. The percentages will always favour a more balanced approach to breeding.
If you are going to do it...better off having outcross involved or as plenty of the examples have shown mixing brothers and sisters together...concentrating more on the dam a generation removed?
Looking at Bekim Bale bitches to Barcia Bale which sees a 2x3 cross of Princess Bale / Hallucinate....it produces 8% city winners. As opposed to Barcia Bale producing 16% city winners to any random blood.
Jack Zappala Australia (Verified User) Posts 112 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Sep 2020 09:08
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Simon Milgate wrote:
Sent you a PM Darren
Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnt used much.
ive got 5 corsair pups love em hopefully they will be fast 2
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 29 Sep 2020 10:14
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
