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Darren Leeson
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Weíre talking dam lines here in a dam line position. So only the true blue hens are likely to show up in that position Iíd imagine

Sobbing Sal &/or Wee Sal

National Queen &/or Bay Road Queen

Golden Fox &/or Travelling Girl

Gold Rush Bale &/or Jindara Bale

If itís sires then breed shapers like - Temlee, Bowetzel, Brother Fox, Chariot Supreme, New Tears, Amerigo Man, Head Honcho, Malawiís Prince, Awesome Assassin, Brett Lee, would be the most likely to have been bred 3 x 3.

But, theyíre your stats. So by all means list your best %





Steven Martin
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22 Sep 2020 13:33


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I thought you/we were talking about the one damline, & one damline only, Rumble Spirit....that's why I said name your sires.

Your list is out of the question.

My offer has now been withdrawn.

Computor says no.


Darren Leeson
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22 Sep 2020 22:22


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Haha, all good! Iím not wanting you to divulge all your hard work.

Just on a common sense approach, you would presume the stats wouldnít be great breeding 3 x 3...especially on a dam line. But, I stand to be corrected. Itís not something you tend to see everyday of the week breeding. Especially in top offspring.

Interesting to look at Allen Wheeler bred Nimrod Boy...he pulled off 3 x 3 Top Linen and 3 x 3 Magic Babe

Paul Wheeler bred Rufus Bale 3 x 3 Benjamin John, but with outcross top and bottom. As did Dennis Reid breed Mr. Boswell 3 x 3 Brother Fox, with outcross top and bottom.




Darren Leeson
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23 Sep 2020 11:53


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Very interesting breeding recently whelped!

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Kevin Wright
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Darren Leeson wrote:

Very interesting breeding recently whelped!

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Rysta was a very good dog i tried to buy a Vial off Geoff 5 odd years ago so its good to see a litter by him .

W.H. O'Donnell nickname Billy sent semen over many years ago

His bloodline is interesting but its very old USA blood now .

The interesting blood is through his Irish side see how close it is to Downing and US great Hoefer.
I will be following this litter with interest

Old things are better than new things, because they've got stories in them

What we are seeing is that Old Sire's and bloodlines have a real chance of throwing better dogs now than what they did in the past this is why Frozen semen is so important today IMO


David Brasch
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CLICK HERE
3x3 in-breeding

CLICK HERE 2x1 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to brothers

CLICK HERE 3x2 to brothers

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1x2 to half relations



Sandro Bechini
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David Brasch wrote:

CLICK HERE
3x3 in-breeding

CLICK HERE 2x1 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to brothers

CLICK HERE 3x2 to brothers

CLICK HERE
1x2 to half relations

Then there is the great Shima Shine

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more recently

G2 placed Spare Cash

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Darren Leeson
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Not many examples. And you donít see too many popping up in top offspring of a sire. Malawiís Prince is interesting...as heís not that inbred himself. Same with Gold Rush Bale carrying outcross top and bottom.

My proposed mating is 3 x 4 litter bro-sis Ace Hi Rumble / Spiritual Rumble...so nicely receded...with outcross top and bottom.

Guess itís for Steve to chime in and let us know if they are good on the percentages or not.

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Graham Moscow
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While the interlude continues

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Bred out of the square?
Great race dog went to stud threw metro winners but little sign of him in todayís top knotch race dogs pedigree
Was it just another abrupt end of a Promising Waverley Supreme strain. ?

CLICK HERE Beautiful pedigree and Champion race dog. Was he the last hope of Waverley Supreme strain or just ignored by leading breeders ?
Token Prince last and now dwindling flickering in modern bloodlines?
What your thoughts.




Darren Leeson
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24 Sep 2020 08:28


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Took awhile, but I was vindicated with Tritt Tritt - EXTERNAL LINK

Teddy Monelli - EXTERNAL LINK

With him in Dyna Double One, My Bro Fabio, Mogambo and Dyna Lachlan. Heís sure to be around in pedigrees for awhile.

Actually, both Tritt Tritt and Teddy Monelli lend weight to the already mentioned great nick between My Bro Fabio and Bekim Bale...all carrying the MBF / Sonic Flight cross!

Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnít used much.


Darren Leeson
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25 Sep 2020 23:09


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Are Fernando Bale and Fanta Bale somewhat outside the square breedings...in that the dams were hardly premier Wheeler bitches that people have banged on about. Mated to absolutely non-commercial sires for two of the greatest of all time? And arguably the two best Wheeler has ever bred...

Interestly both 50%!outcrossed for best result!

Chloe Allen - EXTERNAL LINK

UCME Typhoon - EXTERNAL LINK



Graham Moscow
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Hi Darren
Chloe Allen not out or the square but 3rd dam Regina Bale was. IMO
Ucme Typhoon 5th Dam Benatar was bred out of the square IMO
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Darren Leeson
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Could be wrong Graham, but have a feeling Regina Bale was a moderately performed Wenty winner...or Iím thinking of another Wheeler one??

Still reckon theyíre both borderline outside the square...the bitches had a modicum of ability, but nothing to suggest they were capable of producing what they did! And not many were interested in both the sires of Fernando and Fanta!




Simon Milgate
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Sent you a PM Darren

Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnít used much.





Mick Whyte
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27 Sep 2020 11:36


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David Brasch wrote:

CLICK HERE
3x3 in-breeding

CLICK HERE 2x1 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to virtual sisters

CLICK HERE 3x3 to brothers

CLICK HERE 3x2 to brothers

CLICK HERE
1x2 to half relations

CLICK HERE


Darren Leeson
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Bring The Bacon - CLICK HERE

Still when you look at top offspring of any sire...you rarely if ever see such up close breeding. The percentages will always favour a more balanced approach to breeding.

If you are going to do it...better off having outcross involved or as plenty of the examples have shown mixing brothers and sisters together...concentrating more on the dam a generation removed?

Looking at Bekim Bale bitches to Barcia Bale which sees a 2x3 cross of Princess Bale / Hallucinate....it produces 8% city winners. As opposed to Barcia Bale producing 16% city winners to any random blood.


Jack Zappala
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29 Sep 2020 11:08


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Simon Milgate wrote:

Sent you a PM Darren

Dashing Corsair sired a freakishly fast one in Party Hotshot. Shame he wasnít used much.


ive got 5 corsair pups love em hopefully they will be fast 2


Darren Leeson
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29 Sep 2020 12:14


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Commercial sire Worth Doing - CLICK HERE

Non-commercial sire Optic Haze - CLICK HERE



Darren Leeson
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30 Sep 2020 01:13


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Brother Fox crossed with Zimbabwe / Chief Dingaan more important than the name of the sire...

Worth Doing - CLICK HERE

Farmer Wilson - CLICK HERE

Then one of the greatest outside the square matings ever - CLICK HERE

And a Hall of Fame champion from an outside the square mating - CLICK HERE


Darren Leeson
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Anyone know of Bright Banner in the 3 x 3 position? As opposed to playing the percentages 4 x 5 - EXTERNAL LINK

Nice bit off outcross to go with this one - EXTERNAL LINK

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