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Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 12 Jan 2021 10:52
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Of the nearly 3500 pups on Greyhound Data, only 250 are Australian. Of those 250 two are head and shoulders above the rest in Striker Light and Orson Bale. It's very difficult to say what lines are nicking. One thing it does indicate is he is a quality sire for colonial bred broods.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Jan 2021 17:33
Gable Dodge sire line loves dams with saturation of Temlee blood directly over damline. Aston Rupee 4 TSS straight over his damline. Barcia Bale Bombastic Shiraz Elite State Knocksbout Wok are Temlee Sire Strain Sires Gable Dodge is the replacement to Malawis Prince who also liked dams with heaps of Temlee blood strains KC has a 2X3 Dutch Bahama Thats obviously influenced
Fernando Bale damline has 3 TSS directly over damline Primo Uno Awesome Assassin Head Honcho all Temlee sire strain. Either side of this block of 3 TSS is Silver Ball Kelso Fusiler outcross blood. ( Tesio principle)
Orson Allen damline only 2 TSS, GWT Hallucinate, however the dam Desalle Bale has Temlee 18 X 8 against Waverley Supreme 4 X 8
Barcia Bale only 2 TSS GWT Hallucinate. Barcia doesnt carry heaps of Temlee strains, much outcross directly over his damline prior. Maybe thats why his so successful?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 12 Jan 2021 23:36
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Agree with all you wrote Graham, however this is arguable
Graham Moscow wrote:
KC has a 2X3 Dutch Bahama Thats obviously influenced
as the niche between the 2 offspring of Dutch Bahama (using CJ Ima Bahama's brother Cj Bahama Trey) https:/ CLICK HERE is only worth approx 63%, i.e.,only 10 of the 16 lines are duplicated within 5 gens. I wld want at least 88% 14 of those 16 lines duplicated within 5 gens to say it's obviously influenced.
Instead I wld rather rely on the 100% niche between Max Moss down Iruska All Star's damline and littermate Mister Moss through Temlee on Barcia Bale's damline, both in the x path to cornerstone brood Elsie Moss with that Aston Rupee litter.
Sure both Max/Mister Moss are in the 9th & 10th gen however the linebreeding intensity at 100% through those ittermates is far greater than the 63% the 3x3 Dutch Bahama offspring bring to the table. jmo.
The rest of your argument is well stated imo. Cheers. ================================================================
Wade Gallagher wrote:
Interested in peoples thoughts on what Australian pedigrees suit the sire KC And All.
From a linebreeding perspective an obvious choice Wade is a brood bitch that carries Temlee within 8 gens in the x path may suit.
KC also carries 2 littermates Metal Jet and Sky jet in the x path to Gorgeous Babe. A brood bitch that carries a full blood relation or littermate to those two within 10 gens may also suit.
Wade Gallagher Australia (Verified User) Posts 372 Dogs 117 / Races 0 13 Jan 2021 02:22
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Thank you very much for the responses so far.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Jan 2021 06:15
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Thanks Ryan Ive had a real good look and I agree Dutch Bahama 2 X 3 bit of a rubber duck, Thanks for your accurate response
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 13 Jan 2021 06:38
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I have bred a litter with Winklee Terror a KCand All bitch by Andos Mac and am very happy with the result 7pups 7 winners if that helps cheers Ted
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 13 Jan 2021 06:59
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Edward (Ted) Howard wrote:
I have bred a litter with Winklee Terror a KCand All bitch by Andos Mac and am very happy with the result 7pups 7 winners if that helps cheers Ted
Hi Ted,
Very good mating
Ando's Mac lines up a lot of the bloodlines that work with KC and All here in Australia
Collision, Wheres Pedro, Big Daddy Cool, are Temlee sire strain sires. 3X3 TSS with KC maternal sire. Gable Dodge position 3 generations back, past pedigree templates were Token or Malawis Prince. Nice one Ted Good example Sandro
Wade Gallagher Australia (Verified User) Posts 372 Dogs 117 / Races 0 13 Jan 2021 22:56
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Michael Barry wrote:
is he worth 15/20 grand for one of the few vials left ?
I have no idea what it is actually worth but rightly or wrongly it would take alot more to part with ours.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 14 Jan 2021 00:16
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Really when you go back in American lines what you find is a plorification of Australias greatest bloodlines and you are bringing them home to roost.Cheif Havoc- Rocket Jet- Elsie Moss the micawbers etc. etc.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 14 Jan 2021 03:13
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The only KC and All vials left in Oz are in SA...from what GA told me. Probably Borda or Wheeler own them??
Im expecting Ray Borda to do this - https:/ CLICK HERE
The good thing is...KC and All is finding his way into pedigrees. So while hes obviously a great sire...his influence wont be solely through himself alone. Hell play his part in his sons at stud and any future imbedded sires!
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 14 Jan 2021 08:37
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Darren Leeson wrote:
The only KC and All vials left in Oz are in SA...from what GA told me. Probably Borda or Wheeler own them??
Im expecting Ray Borda to do this - https:/ CLICK HERE
The good thing is...KC and All is finding his way into pedigrees. So while hes obviously a great sire...his influence wont be solely through himself alone. Hell play his part in his sons at stud and any future imbedded sires!
false information re the vials
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 14 Jan 2021 12:27
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Interesting Mick...still, Bernardo has started pretty well and plenty expect Orson Allen to kick goals. Theres going to be plenty of KC And All embedded in future top dogs and sires, to get a shot of KC and All in your pedigree. Which is a good thing...the more diversity in bloodlines, the better!
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Jan 2021 21:00
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My opinion only but US sires are better when they appear as grand sires or 25%. On that basis Fernando Bale, Bernardo, Orson Allen and the one with potential but yet totally proven Kinloch Brae. I know there's Ballymac Vic and Moreira but not at same level. Perhaps weblec Ace?
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 15 Jan 2021 00:59
And... Fancy Amigo (for testmating purposes) is a litter brother of Striker Light's dam Pretty Fancy CLICK HERE
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 15 Jan 2021 04:02
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Interesting Mick...still, Bernardo has started pretty well and plenty expect Orson Allen to kick goals. Theres going to be plenty of KC And All embedded in future top dogs and sires, to get a shot of KC and All in your pedigree. Which is a good thing...the more diversity in bloodlines, the better!
hi Darren, Bernardo is doing well at this stage , i see his stud fee has doubled in recent weeks , Orson Allen im watching as well
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
